crafting is gone

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Except Square Enix has never went out and said they would make endgame more difficult and thought oriented. This time, they are, for once. Not sure why people think they can cheese through this new proc system and hope a macro will come and save the day. Maybe it’s a case of only seeing what you want to hear? He’s made it pretty clear that procs are required to finish (and HQ) a craft that is endgame. I’m not making this up. He literally said, it is, required.

They seem to forget what procs are. For example, during gathering (at the moment anyway) most optimal rotations prefer that Discerning Eye procs. Meaning, it does not always appear, in other words, rng would be back. To imply you can macro RNG (at least conveniently) is quite silly. To say otherwise implies you can somehow manipulate FFXIV’s rng, which, sounds ridiculous. This isn’t pokemon.

I’m still kind of bummed that rng is back (supposedly):, and it’s not skill oriented (maybe in 6.0 they will), but if RNG is what needs to be done to make endgame not guaranteed, I welcome it.

Explain to me how you can 100% efficiently macro moves that proc..? That’s like saying you can 100% efficiently macro a Discerning Eye gathering rotation. It’s impossible because it’s rng. As I’ve said previously, he literally said that procs are required to complete/HQ crafts. To imply otherwise would mean you can somehow manipulate FFXIV’s rng. I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate how ridiculous that is. I just feel like this is a case of some folks only hearing what they want to hear.

I would only believe that if he outright says macros will still be used endgame. But, he also says he doesn’t want them to be used for endgame recipes. Sorry, but the 100% macro nonsense seems like it’ll finally end come 5.1. Who knows, maybe I’m wrong, but after what was said, I really doubt it.

Already doable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tent=post_body

after searching and asking around, I didn't find this anywhere, just the prioritized list at http://www.ffxiv-gathering.com/images/4.0-470.png for example which is exactly what I turned into this macro abusing the fact that Discerning Eye isn't usable again, if you have the buff already (from ability itself or Impulsive Appraisal proc).

Requirements for Lvl 70 Nodes: 1000 Perception and 600 GP

/ac "Discerning Eye" <wait.2>
/ac "Impulsive Appraisal II" <wait.3>
/ac "Discerning Eye"
/ac "Single Mind" <wait.2>
/ac "Impulsive Appraisal II" <wait.3>
/ac "Discerning Eye"
/ac "Single Mind" <wait.2>
/ac "Methodical Appraisal" <wait.3>
The Idea behind this, is, that, if you HAVE the proc, it can't cast Discerning Eye again and jumps straight to Single Mind, if you DON'T HAVE the proc, it casts Discerning Eye not beeing able to cast Single Mind because there's no waiting time after the 2nd and 3rd Discerning Eye.

[CookiesNCreams]

More often than not, "B-but reddit said!"

Already doable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tent=post_body

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

[Silica-chan]

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

The question is can you still overpower your gear to a high enough level so procs won't matter? Guess we have to wait and see what the maser crafters find out.

[NanaWiloh]

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

I can see problem with having 3 proc's and that is rotations being developed around using only one proc. Prep touch or delicate synth with the right proc being abused will making hitting HQ no problem but we will see. Now that I thought of that, Now I am wondering if proc abuse will become a thing. :P

[NanaWiloh]

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

There are a couple of proc based actions and they all proc at the same time. Which to me says proc abuse incoming unless SE has fixed it so only one action proc's at a time.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Oh boy, another reddit post. :P Maybe I should be more specific. How would you create a macro where there are 3 moves that can proc? (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure there are 3. Or will be 3, after reading the patch notes.) The way that macro is set up would be inefficient for crafting. It would make your crafting macro unnecessarily long, and inconvenient to use, unless you’re just lazy I guess.

Point is, it’s going to be situational, and not a “one move proc” like Discerning Eye. There will be more than 1. You can’t cheese through this new proc system they have for crafting, sorry, I just don’t see it happening.

Well you did say...

That’s like saying you can 100% efficiently macro a Discerning Eye gathering rotation

I was just providing evidence that it was possible to do that specific example.
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Though, I also happen to agree that it wouldn't work well for crafting.
But asauming skills could be skipped the same way, it would technically function...