crafting is gone

[Callinon]

How would people like it if a brand new player reaches level 80 combat and within a matter of a few hours can raid just as well as the best experienced raiders? It would make raiding feel like it is not an accomplishment whatsoever. So why is it alright to make crafting that easy? They take pride in raiding, we want to be able to take pride in crafting again, like we used to.

False equivalence. A highly skilled player can do exactly what you describe because they're highly skilled. But raiding isn't all about personal skill, it's about group skill.

Basically, you get to make that comparison the moment crafting requires 8 people to be perfectly in sync over a 15 minute crafting session.

[CookiesNCreams]

False equivalence. A highly skilled player can do exactly what you describe because they're highly skilled. But raiding isn't all about personal skill, it's about group skill.

Basically, you get to make that comparison the moment crafting requires 8 people to be perfectly in sync over a 15 minute crafting session.

That would be wonderful if end game crafting was just like you say... requires a group to work together and perform well on the same level as raiding. I doubt it will ever be made so exclusive though, but SE could make it comparable to raiding if they wanted to. Of course raiding and crafting are not currently directly comparable, but the concept of a game being challenging is universal to all games.

Poor raiders will not complete end game raids successfully. Poor crafters similarly should not complete end game crafts successfully. Practice and understand end game raids and once you have improved enough maybe you can clear them. Practice and understand end game crafting and once you have improved enough maybe you can HQ the crafts.

Right now end game raiding is like Dark Souls and end game crafting is like Angry Birds. We’re just asking for end game crafting to be like God of War in terms of difficulty, rather than a children’s game where you are guaranteed to win.