crafting is gone

[Tlamila]

Everybody complains of how easier it has become to HQ (and maybe at endgame it's true), but as someone who only recently returned to the game and has to finish levelling crafts I'm pissed at how they removed all the cross-class skills, now making them high-ish level skills. It makes it so much harder and frustrating, since I can't even imagine trying to HQ on levels where you now have 0 of those skills.
I guess nobody cares because now levelling is so fast that people level without even actually crafting, but for me it's a very negative change.

[Nabril]

I'm surprised at all the negativity. Crafting is not like raiding. It shouldn't be considered raiding. It's a profession, not combat. Crafting in this game has never required skill and we didn't need all those buttons. People are mad that "just anyone can do it". Well yeah. It's an MMO. It's multi-player. Want to make it super complex? Make each craft a complex algebraic algorithm that changes with every craft. THEN we'll cut out most crafters (including many of the people that are complaining that it's too easy now).

Crafting was never difficult. For me, it's just as easy as it has always been.

[Theodric]

My only real concern with crafting at the moment is the lack of armoury space.

[Glenfiddich]

To me, Crafting still is like a book written in Hieroglyphics. Especially HQ Crafting. SE couldn't change my mind with this Patch. I don't like Crafting at all. And I guess I'm not alone.
So, don't worry, there are still a lot of Buyers out there.

[DynnDiablos]

As someone who has only been crafting for a couple of months, the streamlining is welcome. Crafting shouldn't be some complex activity. I don't understand why people want to make it so hard? You afraid other crafters will now come in and threatened your stockpiles of gil. Some of you have so much gil you'd never use it all but can't stand the thought of more crafters moving up through the ranks and taking a piece of the pie.

[DumdogsWorld]

I don't understand why people want to make it so hard?

Because when it's easy enough that everybody is just casually doing it, there is no point to doing it anymore. When everybody is a crafter, nobody is a crafter. While we're at it, let's nerf all combat content that is somehow perceived as hard! Even when it isn't actually hard.

No thanks. Square Enix made it overtly clear that they're trying to kill crafting in this game, so I'll just find something else to do in the game. Something other than crafting.

[DynnDiablos]

Because when it's easy enough that everybody is just casually doing it, there is no point to doing it anymore. When everybody is a crafter, nobody is a crafter. While we're at it, let's nerf all combat content that is somehow perceived as hard! Even when it isn't actually hard.

No thanks. Square Enix made it overtly clear that they're trying to kill crafting in this game, so I'll just find something else to do in the game. Something other than crafting.

My goodness and the Academy Award goes to...

[DumdogsWorld]

My goodness and the Academy Award goes to...

...you!

It goes to you, for your truly insightful post.

Truly.

[Rilifane]

As someone who has only been crafting for a couple of months, the streamlining is welcome. Crafting shouldn't be some complex activity. I don't understand why people want to make it so hard? You afraid other crafters will now come in and threatened your stockpiles of gil. Some of you have so much gil you'd never use it all but can't stand the thought of more crafters moving up through the ranks and taking a piece of the pie.

Gil is easy enough to come by even without leveling crafters. I think it's less about gil and more about what sets this game apart.
Most other MMOs have a very simple crafting system: you get the materials, push a button, wait for a few seconds and done. Professions are usually limited to 2-3 per character and easy to boost from 1 to max in very little time.
In FFXIV each crafting class is a class of its own with a basic skill set aswell as some unique skills, they have special gear and you can even level all of them on one character, you have difficult recipes you need to craft in HQ to buy books for special recipes and overall, crafting is useful. Even the older recipes are.
I think many people are simply afraid of losing this unique system to oversimplification for the sake of accessibility.
While it might pull in some people who have been averse to crafting because they prefer a simplified system like most other MMOs have it will also push away those who enjoyed crafting exactly for NOT being such system. And the crafting enthusiasts are not just some 1% or less of the playerbase, it's actually a rather large crowd. Most people I see via DF have their crafters leveled to various degrees and I know of many people who play FFXIV solely for it's crafting system.
It's the fear of this just being the first step.

Simplification for the sake of accessibility isn't always a good choice.
Just take a look at the healer forum, we lost many healers to such simplification.
You may reel in one group but lose another in the process.

[DynnDiablos]

Gil is easy enough to come by even without leveling crafters. I think it's less about gil and more about what sets this game apart.
Most other MMOs have a very simple crafting system: you get the materials, push a button, wait for a few seconds and done. Professions are usually limited to 2-3 per character and easy to boost from 1 to max in very little time.
In FFXIV each crafting class is a class of its own with a basic skill set aswell as some unique skills, they have special gear and you can even level all of them on one character, you have difficult recipes you need to craft in HQ to buy books for special recipes and overall, crafting is useful. Even the older recipes are.
I think many people are simply afraid of losing this unique system to oversimplification for the sake of accessibility.
While it might pull in some people who have been averse to crafting because they prefer a simplified system like most other MMOs have it will also push away those who enjoyed crafting exactly for NOT being such system. And the crafting enthusiasts are not just some 1% or less of the playerbase, it's actually a rather large crowd. Most people I see via DF have their crafters leveled to various degrees and I know of many people who play FFXIV solely for it's crafting system.
It's the fear of this just being the first step.

Simplification for the sake of accessibility isn't always a good choice.
Just take a look at the healer forum, we lost many healers to such simplification.
You may reel in one group but lose another in the process.

I don't see it as easy to come by unless I am missing some gil-making scheme.