crafting is gone

[CookiesNCreams]

Frankly, Hasty failing on you wasn't hard. it was tedious. you didn't fail because you were terrible. You didn't fail because you didn't understand what you were doing. you failed because the game said so. you were punished for doing the proper ability for the proper reason. That isn't "difficulty".

You're right, crafting in the past was incredibly tedious. But if you look at the very definition of the word difficult:

dif·fi·cult
/ˈdifəkəlt/
adjective
needing much effort or skill to accomplish, deal with, or understand.

That is the definition of the word difficult. Crafting needed much effort to accomplish, therefore it was difficult. To argue otherwise is nonsense, that is the definition of the word. Did it take skill? No. Did it take understanding? Only if you wanted to improve your HQ chances. But it was "difficult" because of the large amount of time/effort needed. It was difficult enough that many players did not attempt it. If it were easy, they would.

[NanaWiloh]

Just read over what was discussed about crafting in the live letter. Sounds like when it comes to the rebalancing of skills, their aiming to adjust it so that if you have NOT taken the time and effort to gear optimally and prepare yourself that you will find hitting HQ on high end crafts harder. Which in my opinion is how it should be and something I've pointed out, for High end crafts you should prepared beyond what you would do for just leveling. For those who have decked themselves out in full HQ 430+melds/440 with food and pot, alongside a solid rotation HQ will be do able. If you have not gotten to the point or taken the effort then it will be far harder.

[CookiesNCreams]

Just read over what was discussed about crafting in the live letter. Sounds like when it comes to the rebalancing of skills, their aiming to adjust it so that if you have NOT taken the time and effort to gear optimally and prepare yourself that you will find hitting HQ on high end crafts harder. Which in my opinion is how it should be and something I've pointed out, for High end crafts you should prepared beyond what you would do for just leveling. For those who have decked themselves out in full HQ 430+melds/440 with food and pot, alongside a solid rotation HQ will be do able. If you have not gotten to the point or taken the effort then it will be far harder.

Based on what SE said, I think you're right... the end game crafts will almost certainly not be guaranteed to HQ if you don't have the best gear with some melds. The question is, will they make the quality requirements high enough, or will someone who melded tier 8 into all the guaranteed slots and slapped on a bunch of tier 4 overmelds be able to 100% the crafts from zero quality. If someone with mediocre melds like that can still 100% crafts from zero using a fixed macro, I would say nothing has changed... hopefully this will not be the case. Just my opinion, but if someone has not bothered to do good melds, then they should be forced to use HQ mats in order to HQ the end game crafts consistently. Like, take your pick, spend the extra effort melding, or, spend the extra effort making some HQ mats.

The difference with melds is significant, for my characters, only one is max melded which at the time cost roughly 30 mil gil worth of materia (although I made most myself). The following are the differences in stats between a max melded crafter, one with tier 8 in guaranteed with tier 4 overmelds (which currently costs under 2 mil for the tier 8's and about 500k worth of tier 4), and one with no melds at all (craftsmanship/control/CP):

Max Melded: 2316/2332/541
T8 w/ T4 overmelds: 2183/2181/541 (see https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1B1MN)
No Melds: 2087/1942/449

I've heard many say that melding costs a lot, but 2.5 mil can be obtained in a single day by just about anyone. It would take about 8 hours of gathering, or 10 hours of doing FATEs / hunts, etc. Or you could obtain the materia yourself for free, for that amount of materia it should take someone all of 6 hours of combined gathering and crafting collectables for scrips to get materia. If a player cannot be bothered to spend several hours preparing their crafting classes for end game content, then I don't really know what to say, and I don't know why they bothered spending dozens or hundreds of hours leveling their crafts in the first place.

[NanaWiloh]

Based on what SE said, I think you're right... the end game crafts will almost certainly not be guaranteed to HQ if you don't have the best gear with some melds. The question is, will they make the quality requirements high enough, or will someone who melded tier 8 into all the guaranteed slots and slapped on a bunch of tier 4 overmelds be able to 100% the crafts from zero quality. If someone with mediocre melds like that can still 100% crafts from zero using a fixed macro, I would say nothing has changed... hopefully this will not be the case. Just my opinion, but if someone has not bothered to do good melds, then they should be forced to use HQ mats in order to HQ the end game crafts consistently. Like, take your pick, spend the extra effort melding, or, spend the extra effort making some HQ mats.

The difference with melds is significant, for my characters, only one is max melded which at the time cost roughly 30 mil gil worth of materia (although I made most myself). The following are the differences in stats between a max melded crafter, one with tier 8 in guaranteed with tier 4 overmelds (which currently costs under 2 mil for the tier 8's and about 500k worth of tier 4), and one with no melds at all (craftsmanship/control/CP):

Max Melded: 2316/2332/541
T8 w/ T4 overmelds: 2183/2181/541 (see https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1B1MN)
No Melds: 2087/1942/449

I've heard many say that melding costs a lot, but 2.5 mil can be obtained in a single day by just about anyone. It would take about 8 hours of gathering, or 10 hours of doing FATEs / hunts, etc. Or you could obtain the materia yourself for free, for that amount of materia it should take someone all of 6 hours of combined gathering and crafting collectables for scrips to get materia. If a player cannot be bothered to spend several hours preparing their crafting classes for end game content, then I don't really know what to say, and I don't know why they bothered spending dozens or hundreds of hours leveling their crafts in the first place.

I have completely held off on finishing my melds. Until 5.1's release even a guide I found recently has its site down due to the incoming changes. I will say I did some prep for this and stock piled materia some for slots and some to get started on overmelds. In no hurry to get all my master 7 books, so dont mind splitting my weekly scripts between books and more materia.

I am likely going the middle road for materia t8 /wt4 overmelds. I dont have a lot of issues with getting hq mats been using them pretty much the whole leveling proccess. Its now become a habbit for me I prefer hq over nq when it comes to mats..

[LalaRu]

...If a player cannot be bothered to spend several hours preparing their crafting classes for end game content, then I don't really know what to say, and I don't know why they bothered spending dozens or hundreds of hours leveling their crafts in the first place.

Sounds like if someone is not going to do savage raids, then why is he bothered to playing the game? Isn't that a bit extreme?

[DarkEiraStar]

I spent more than a week, 12-16 hours a day, gathering mats and crafting collectibles to buy materia to pentameld. I broke at least 20-50 materia per gear slot

[CookiesNCreams]

I spent more than a week, 12-16 hours a day, gathering mats and crafting collectibles to buy materia to pentameld. I broke at least 20-50 materia per gear slot

I assume you spent that amount of time grinding in order to max meld your crafting gear? That sounds about right for max melds if you gathered all the mats yourself to make collectables. For mediocre melds it would take a lot less time.

[Brandedblade]

F

Thank god.

[NanaWiloh]

Fishing is the most boring and useless class in the game. Its the embodiment of why rng sucks and does not make anything difficult. No all rng does is make things a time consuming frustration filled headache, I stopped leveling fish around level 40 have not touched it agian since. SE could honestly remove Fishing and no one would really notice because of how useless and boring it is.

[Lily_Skye]

Fishing is the most boring and useless class in the game. Its the embodiment of why rng sucks and does not make anything difficult. No all rng does is make things a time consuming frustration filled headache, I stopped leveling fish around level 40 have not touched it agian since. SE could honestly remove Fishing and no one would really notice because of how useless and boring it is.

you can get more gil fishing than being omnicrafter lol