Idea: Merit system

[Liam_Harper]

The Crown of the Immaculate (Extreme) 460
[Loot][Duty Complete] No doubles, high dps or kick, must have max Merits or gtfo.

I'm not so sure about that idea ...

[CrystalRainbow]

This doesn't work, people learn min and max and then you can't raid without stats/ability x y z

[linay]

Item level just really doesn't cut it, given it's largely redundant for the vast majority of content...

In what way?

[RoyalBeef]

Sounds like EVE online skill system. Lot of enforced grind. Newcomer unfriendly. Min-max pressure.

Wait, newcomers can't catch up to top tier players who have been playing for 6 years in 2 weeks? The tragedy.

[hynaku]

Not sure what they will do when 8.0 comes out. Max level before 8.0 would already be level 100 if they keep up adding 10 level for each expansion.

[RoyalBeef]

I'm not so sure about that idea ...

Somehow I feel that the people who pull high DPS would also be the people who'd have no issue to put in the effort to grind out their merits. But yeah we can't allow dedicated players to get head in any way, rather have them unsub between content patches bc they run out of things to do, that's healthy for a game ^^

[hynaku]

I don't think it would stop ones from unsub because of nothing to do. Pretty sure most unsub once they finish the story then they leave. I had sub going for this game since beta and I have always found something to do for whole time. Like this account use now is guest account that came with my collectors edition of 1.0. I started all over from scratch for something to do.

[Deusteele]

Somehow I feel that the people who pull high DPS would also be the people who'd have no issue to put in the effort to grind out their merits. But yeah we can't allow dedicated players to get head in any way, rather have them unsub between content patches bc they run out of things to do, that's healthy for a game ^^

This BS argument is constant thrown around as some kind of Holy Grail by tryhards that want to hold developers hostage. Tryhards are going to unsub anyways once you find something else that doesn't cater to your personal agenda. They just want developers to throw casuals under the bus to make themselves feel better.

Still saying it; They listen, they give you content that you ask for, but it's not not what many really want. What many want are hard set bars that block others from that content. You wish to be the guardians that control how others play the game. You'll dissemble all your motivations to reach a satisfactory self delusion, but the truth still remains.

Get over yourselves.

[Nalien]

In what way?

The majority of content can be beaten with multiple players straight up missing, nevermind their item level. Various other pieces of content straight up cap item level too (Eureka and Treasure Maps spring to mind), or straight up don't use gear to begin with (PvP, Deep Dungeons).

It's essentially a progression system that exists solely for Ultimate, I wouldn't even say Savage strictly needs it anymore... Savage gets beaten day 1 by people in crafted sets, sets which make grinding the previous patches highest item level to be ready for the next a poor joke. The only reason then to get gear from Savage is, as I said, for Ultimate (which, by-the-by, will eventually be item level capped, so...). It will help with prog for Savage, but even if we count that... That brings us to 5 instances in which max item level is remotely relevant... As I said, item level is just completely redundant for most of this game... As such it's stopped being an interesting endgame progression system IMO, it offers no feeling of progressing, even in the content it's relevant in. The sense of progression in XIVs endgame essentially comes entirely from learning mechanics and progressing through the story, IMO (not saying that's entirely a bad thing BTW). Even if I entertain the idea of item level being an endgame progression system, the effect of it is so weak (stats in this game are negligible and boring), and the means for obtaining it so plentiful and down right easy (you can literally never touch Lv80 content and end up gettings tomes for relevant gear), that it's just... Dull...

The patch cycle doesn't help, either... You get max item level, and what's that? The 24 man raid released and everyone can upgrade their tome gear to the same item level while sleeping through content. Knock knock, a new 8 man raid patch with crafted gear that's superior to your current set. Gear is so transient in this game as to be irrelevant as anything but glamour, IMHO. It would be an interesting matter to have a poll on (I miss when Yoshida used these forums for polls), actually... I'm sure I'm probably relatively alone in feeling item level is complete pants, but still. What do people raid for? I'd say to beat a challenge, to play with friends, that sort of thing. "Getting better item level" doesn't remotely register on my radar for that question.

Instead of a Merit System I think I'd prefer a more robust Relic Weapons system, but Lord knows SE will never be able to deliver on that...

[RoyalBeef]

This BS argument is constant thrown around as some kind of Holy Grail by tryhards that want to hold developers hostage. Tryhards are going to unsub anyways once you find something else that doesn't cater to your personal agenda. They just want developers to throw casuals under the bus to make themselves feel better.

Still saying it; They listen, they give you content that you ask for, but it's not not what many really want. What many want are hard set bars that block others from that content. You wish to be the guardians that control how others play the game. You'll dissemble all your motivations to reach a satisfactory self delusion, but the truth still remains.

Get over yourselves.

You can remove my reaction image, doesn't cover up your somehow deeply anchored anger towards endgame players which also shines through in other posts of yours, talking about e-peen and taking devs hostage with subs (you seem to be re-using that carbon copy of a rage response with arguments that make no sense.)

You'll dissemble all your motivations to reach a satisfactory self delusion, but the truth still remains.

Bruh I'd just like some way of further improving my character after hitting max level. What are you even talking about? Jeez xD