"Aggro Battles"

[Hierro]

Just do savage, bro! get ilvl 470! I can guarantee you few tanks will compete with you then in DPS! Problem solved.

[Niurok]

Personally I don't see how starting out MT and OT is not in tank stance a few mins in to a fight they put tank stance on and they catch up in threat and then take over. Are they just doing ranged opener over and over followed by whatever combo finisher move only or what. Then they just drop tank stance. Or try to kill me on purpose like on Eden Prime...

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Most likely they are doing more DPS than you if they catch up to you, though you will see a sudden rise as soon as the other tank turns on their stance, but aggro levels off around the top for some time, but it is worthwhile checking your gear or check that you are using the correct and proper rotation.

Also if they use combo finisher only, it only deals 100 potency out of combo, spamming your first combo skill would be a net gain over spamming the second skill or third skill over and over, but I do not encourage this, do your combos correctly.

I highly doubt they are trying to kill you unless you happen to be doing something stupid that just makes everyone's time more difficult than it has to be and won't let the other tank take over who may have more experience.

[Niurok]

Well when Eden Prime does the dual tank buster beam attack there have been a few tanks that run to their beam into me so I take both beams while for some reason they still live. And there isn't really much to PLD rotations. Do the main combo first a few times then do the dot then sword oath then back to dot and main combo. Since I don't do extreme or savage I follow the norm of getting gear through tomes like everyone else. Can't really go beyond Deepshadow yet.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Well when Eden Prime does the dual tank buster beam attack there have been a few tanks that run to their beam into me so I take both beams while for some reason they still live. And there isn't really much to PLD rotations. Do the main combo first a few times then do the dot then sword oath then back to dot and main combo. Since I don't do extreme or savage I follow the norm of getting gear through tomes like everyone else. Can't really go beyond Deepshadow yet.

isn't really much but incorrectly state it, so start with Goring Blade combo, use fof either before or after riot blade depending on Sks (whichever feels most comfortable that you get the GB under it at the end of the window), Royal Authority combo, 3x Atonement, GB combo, Requiescat, 4x Holy Spirit 1x Confiteor, GB combo, RA combo, 3x Atonement, then repeat, there is also a way to manipulate your rotation via atonement usage to optimise fights, but look after the basics first.

As for that instance, that can happen if you are super tight to the boss that you get clipped by the second one, while they are further out so they only eat one, can easily happen/ It can happen for anymore of reasons, dodging to avoid a melee grabbing a postional for one, another is not knowing where to stand, so run around like a headless chicken. It's not always out of alice from the other player.

As for gear, if you don't do savage that's fair, upgrades available from Tuesday should help.

[Lyth]

Just in case people didn't know, this expansion's Provoke not only matches you with the highest enmity player, but it generates an amount of enmity equivalent to 352 540 damage on top of that. So the person who provoked most recently almost certainly has aggro, irrespective of gear.

Like I said earlier, this new 24p instance is going to be entertaining.

[Hierro]

When I tanked any alliance raid, I was always confident enough to main tank without tank stance prior to ShB. I just didn't have issues-- geared out, skilled players are in low supply in general.

However, one time a cheeky undergeared PLD thought it'd be great to just sit in shield oath the whole time, spamming their aggro combo. They always pulled ASAP before the whole alliance was there, and positioned the boss in detrimental ways. I had to swallow my pride, because their tanking was actually causing unnecessary deaths and wipes, so I sat in grit and spammed power slash exclusively. Lo and behold, despite their attempts to voke the boss back, I held onto aggro because at the end of the day I had better gear. This is why I'm unironically saying "get your raiding gear."

I feel it's safe to say that will rarely happen. But if it does get to the point where push comes to shove, aggro battles will be won NOT by who vokes first, but last. If you're a tank that outgears the other tank, just spam your ranged enmity while keeping all your offensive oGCDs on cooldown. They may voke, but you just have to voke back. Your DPS may be utter CRAP, but if the run depends on it, bite the bullet and do your duty.

little note: I don't advocate for this style at all, this is a last resort for extreme cases where the tank is compromising the instance. This is NOT for when you just want to be the center of attention when the other tank is doing an acceptable job.

[VenKitsune]

WAR, GNB and DRK are generally fairly balanced when it comes to snatching up agro at the start of the fight. This is due to high burst damage - WAR has IR and IC, DRK has Living Shadow and Delirium, GNB has NM + Gnashing fang combo and two dots all with a load of high damaging oGCD attacks.

PLD on the other hand can struggle with snap agro. They do fine in consistent damage, but even though they have FoF they dont really have a hard hitting burst like the other three tanks at the start of the fight. If the PLD is MT and you're OT, consider starting with your stance off and turn it on a bit later on rather than starting the fight with it regardless as to if you're MT or not.

[DRKoftheAzure]

WAR, GNB and DRK are generally fairly balanced when it comes to snatching up agro at the start of the fight. This is due to high burst damage - WAR has IR and IC, DRK has Living Shadow and Delirium, GNB has NM + Gnashing fang combo and two dots all with a load of high damaging oGCD attacks.

PLD on the other hand can struggle with snap agro. They do fine in consistent damage, but even though they have FoF they dont really have a hard hitting burst like the other three tanks at the start of the fight. If the PLD is MT and you're OT, consider starting with your stance off and turn it on a bit later on rather than starting the fight with it regardless as to if you're MT or not.

So basically removing aggro combos was actually a bad idea on the devs part then? Not surprising, especially if they want all tanks to keep tank stance on...

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

So basically removing aggro combos was actually a bad idea on the devs part then? Not surprising, especially if they want all tanks to keep tank stance on...

Removing combos that were avoided at all cost, a bad design? you're funny lmao