"New" Bard.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

So they gave bard new party effects to his songs in SB but nerfed down his own dps, after ShB they cutted song effects but buffed bard's own dps. And in 5.1 they giving song effects again and nerfing his own dps.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My prediction for Bard in 5.5: again no party song effects and increase in dps xD

B -- balance.

[Vaina]

it's inexplicable .....

[Brandedblade]

So they gave bard new party effects to his songs in SB but nerfed down his own dps, after ShB they cutted song effects but buffed bard's own dps. And in 5.1 they giving song effects again and nerfing his own dps.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My prediction for Bard in 5.5: again no party song effects and increase in dps xD

B -- balance.

I'll take this over 5.0 brd any day. It probably is still to weak but SE has been under tuning support dps out of fear of them being too strong with their buffs, and slowly bringing them back up.

[Shurrikhan]

I'll take this over 5.0 brd any day.

I'd prefer my contribution to come from my actions, rather than merely whether I exist within X yalms of my allies... If that can take the form of active support, all the better, but I'd rather have active damage-dealing alone than lose potency to passive ("You exist") support.

[Rika007]

I'd prefer my contribution to come from my actions, rather than merely whether I exist within X yalms of my allies... If that can take the form of active support, all the better, but I'd rather have active damage-dealing alone than lose potency to passive ("You exist") support.

Well hopefully that will be what we can get added next. The dev team clearly either didn't agree, didn't listen, or didn't understand the type of support that Bard players were looking for, as I definitely didn't see Bard players everywhere clamoring to have the passive songs be added back on. Regardless I'd rather the dev team be taking steps like this even if it' not exactly what the players are looking for to try and meet players somewhere on their wants while keeping to their vision of the game. And seeing as the ranged DPS category right now is already near the bottom of the barrel in DPS anyway, I'd rather know I'm bringing something else then just my own damage. Especially when you look at a job like MCH, who clearly needs to be bringing near SAM and BLM levels of DPS to justify it's greedy play style. The passive buff is basically our version of Standard step now. A passive buff that we shell out by making sure we press a few damage buttons every minute.

[Akiudo]

this would be funny if it wasn't so sad, for simplicitys sake lets average out the dps buff for the group as 1%.
Grabbed a random 95% bard on voidwalker, group dps without lb was 89,700 so not just good bard, group average was 91, with the given group dps he would buff the group by 900~ dps, thats a good group, bad group would get less out of it.

So, lets correct the other skills for new potencies, would link the parse but yea forum and fflogs and all, feel free to hit me up if you want a name to double check stuff if you don't trust my math.

edit: seems to be even worse as it specifies "group" once again, so probably again not buffing the bard itself, so
group buff 1%=760 gained
sidewinder=(238/260*300)-238=36 gained
apex arrow=(489/500*600)-489=98 gained

stormbite:1176-(1176/60*50)=189 lost
caustic Bite:950-(950/50*40)=190 lost
refulgant arrow:2.833-(2.833/340*330)=83 lost

in total we got 760+36+98-189-190-83=432 dps gained for a 95% bard in a 91% group.
bards that are in theory on that level but with a 50% (so AVERAGE) group would get a good 80 dps less.

as a reminder

the weakest melee dps right now at 95% percentile voidwalker is 1200 dps above bard, thats nin that gets a rework so no idea but should hardly be a nerf considering both dragoon and samurai are above it at that level and get buffs.

So as it stands, even with the buffs and without further buffing melee bard would be 800~ dps behind the weakest melee, just that this weakest melee even got a damage buff themselves so the jump will be even higher, thats a slap in the face with ******* if i've ever seen one

[Antoine_Lenheim]

this would be funny if it wasn't so sad, for simplicitys sake lets average out the dps buff for the group as 1%.
Grabbed a random 95% bard on voidwalker, group dps without lb was 89,700 so not just good bard, group average was 91, with the given group dps he would buff the group by 900~ dps, thats a good group, bad group would get less out of it.

So, lets correct the other skills for new potencies, would link the parse but yea forum and fflogs and all, feel free to hit me up if you want a name to double check stuff if you don't trust my math.

group buff 1%=900 gained
sidewinder=(238/260*300)-238=36 gained
apex arrow=(489/500*600)-489=98 gained

stormbite:1176-(1176/60*50)=189 lost
caustic Bite:950-(950/50*40)=190 lost
refulgant arrow:2.833-(2.833/340*330)=83 lost

in total we got 900+36+98-189-190-83=572 dps gained for a 95% bard in a 91% group.
bards that are in theory on that level but with a 50% (so AVERAGE) group would get a good 80 dps less.

as a reminder

the weakest melee dps right now at 95% percentile voidwalker is 1200 dps above bard, thats nin that gets a rework so no idea but should hardly be a nerf considering both dragoon and samurai are above it at that level and get buffs.

So as it stands, even with the buffs and without further buffing melee bard would be 700~ dps behind the weakest melee, just that this weakest melee even got a damage buff themselves so the jump will be even higher, thats a slap in the face with ******* if i've ever seen one

Idk what these numbers are on about but I guess song effects being back is still more of a nerf than a buff lol. Now bard again more valuable to the party...

...like it was in stormblood XD

[Akiudo]

Idk what these numbers are on about but I guess song effects being back is still more of a nerf than a buff lol. Now bard again more valuable to the party...

...like it was in stormblood XD

they basically gave us a passive group buff for 750~ dps while nerfing our personal damage by 350-400 while buffing the lower end melees at the same time, is a sad joke and nothing else really

[UfoCoffee]

So they gave bard new party effects to his songs in SB but nerfed down his own dps, after ShB they cutted song effects but buffed bard's own dps. And in 5.1 they giving song effects again and nerfing his own dps.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My prediction for Bard in 5.5: again no party song effects and increase in dps xD

B -- balance.

I didn't read it as damage would be nerfed, i read it as MCH,BRD,DNC in terms of power.

[Raldo]

Do we know yet if we're affected by our own song buff?
The patch notes use the same wording as Battle Voice, so I assume not, but maybe...?

Flipping through other jobs' party buffs, the ones I've looked at say "self and party members" so we're probably still not affected...