Change Enchanted Reprise's description

[OneTrueMiqote]

What's not intuitive about 25y range being explicitly listed in the tooltip like with every other ranged skill in game?

Yes, when you put the "read the 25y that's listed" in a vacuum, sure, it would seem simple enough. But you need to consider the other factors. Players may be new and inexperienced to the job and have to juggle all the new information while solidifying their rotation. Plus the fact that all attacks using mana have been melee, with this one exception. Plus Reprise's normal version being a melee attack. Plus how it is possible for people to outright miss the range and radius description.

All in all, your argument of "it shouldn't be unintuitive" doesn't change the fact that it indeed has often been unintuitive.

[Mhaeric]

Players may be new and inexperienced to the job and have to juggle all the new information while solidifying their rotation. Plus the fact that all attacks using mana have been melee, with this one exception. Plus Reprise's normal version being a melee attack. Plus how it is possible for people to outright miss the range and radius description.

All in all, your argument of "it shouldn't be unintuitive" doesn't change the fact that it indeed has often been unintuitive.

All of which can be solved by reading the tooltip. Adding the word ranged in the description isn't going to fix stupid. Also, it's a level 76 ability. People who have it are not new to the job nor should they be solidifying their rotation which is the same even when level synced to the lowest dungeons.

[Tint]

All of which can be solved by reading the tooltip. Adding the word ranged in the description isn't going to fix stupid. Also, it's a level 76 ability. People who have it are not new to the job nor should they be solidifying their rotation which is the same even when level synced to the lowest dungeons.

Why are you against this? What does it take away from you when they add the word "ranged" to the tooltip?

The skill is confusing for some people, evident because they said so in this topic, and adding the word may help some people to understand the ability better, or maybe not, but at least it would be something.

[Rongway]

Why are you against this? What does it take away from you when they add the word "ranged" to the tooltip?

The wording "delivers an attack" always means physical damage. "Deals <element/aspect> damage" is always magical.

The inclusion of the word "ranged" would be redundant, as the range is listed as 25y and anyone interested in the range can see this on the tooltip. However, if one wanted to argue for a change, it should definitely not be to "delivers a ranged attack" because Enchanted weaponskills are magical. It should be, "Deals unaspected damage with a potency of x to a target in range," and even that's not the greatest because every skill only affects a target in range, which brings us back to "just read the Range field on the tooltip".

[Mhaeric]

Why are you against this? What does it take away from you when they add the word "ranged" to the tooltip?

The skill is confusing for some people, evident because they said so in this topic, and adding the word may help some people to understand the ability better, or maybe not, but at least it would be something.

Where do you draw the line? "This single target ranged attack deals magic damage of the unaspected type and does that damage to a target within range of the attack which is 25y instead of the normal 3y of a melee attack. This ranged attack is an upgraded version of the unenchanted melee version of the skill, Reprise, that does physical damage at a range of 3y instead of a ranged attack with the range of 25y that this ability has. Use this ability when you aren't able to cast a spell for at least a full GCD. Even then, using Enchanted Moulinet is a better option in some cases. Using it in any other situation is a DPS loss. Please look forward to more explanation of this if people are confused by that and need more assistance."

It already says it's a ranged attack in the tooltip, every other ranged attack in the game uses the same notification as this tooltip, and the tooltip already fully describes what it does aside from telling you how to fit it into a rotation. When I first looked at the ability on day 1 of 5.0 by opening up the actions menu and looking at everything before I even had any of the new 70+ skills, I saw another weaponskill there, was curious what it did, and within 30s figured out it was a ranged attack because it says it very clearly in the tooltip under the range heading.

[wereotter]

All of which can be solved by reading the tooltip. Adding the word ranged in the description isn't going to fix stupid. Also, it's a level 76 ability. People who have it are not new to the job nor should they be solidifying their rotation which is the same even when level synced to the lowest dungeons.

It's great that you were able to gather this information quickly and easily. However there are people in this thread who did not. I mentioned that I had thought it was meant to be weaved into my melee rotation, then was confused that it was on the global cooldown. I had to be told by someone else who doesn't even play the job that the skill is ranged.

Let's be honest, most skills people don't read the range of the skill. If it's a spell we know it has range, if it's a melee attack we know it's very close. The only thing I know I read distances on, in most cases, is how large an AOE is. So it follows that someone who has played red mage who sees a physical skill that upgrades into an enchanted version would think that it, like every other similar skill before it, was a melee skill. Just because you understood it right away doesn't mean it's not unintuitive for other players, and the clearer things that are different from the norm can be, the better. It will help all players play the job better.

[Tint]

By the way we have a precedent case: Piercing Talon, Enpi, Throwing Dagger, Shield Lob, Tomahawk and Lightning Shot all have the word "ranged" in their skill description.

Just Unmend and Enchanted Reprise lack that additional word.

So obviously it has something to do with the fact that these skills are both magical, while the others are physical. But why is the word only added for the physical skills? I think Rongway is in the right way here: The wording would be cumbersome o.ô;

[Kabooa]

By the way we have a precedent case: Piercing Talon, Enpi, Throwing Dagger, Shield Lob, Tomahawk and Lightning Shot all have the word "ranged" in their skill description.

Just Unmend and Enchanted Reprise lack that additional word.

So obviously it has something to do with the fact that these skills are both magical, while the others are physical. But why is the word only added for the physical skills? I think Rongway is in the right way here: The wording would be cumbersome o.ô;

Unfortunately Red Mage is simply an outlier.

Machinist has no tags of "ranged" attacked on its tooltip lines. Neither does Bard. Neither does Dancer.

The thing about the skill tooltips is that they read specifically as they do when they break the norm. Melee jobs are not ranged by norm, therefore the specification that they deal a "Ranged attack" with those skills is a matter of clarity.

All of Red Mage's melee combo is also described as un-aspected attacks, yet none of them are delivered at range.

Sharpened Knife for the blue mage is an 'unaspected' attack yet is also effectively melee.

And any talk of 'cumbersome' tooltips for adding a simple word need not look at Earthly Star. Literally any complaint about '1 word' being too much is completely thrown out the window there.

If anything, the melee attack tooltips should change to fall in line with everything else, but would that also be too cumbersome?

Would changing "Deals unaspected damage" to "Deliver an unaspected attack" be too much?

[SaberMaxwell]

Just read the whole tooltip. If you skimmed it so fast you didn't see the range then chances are you didn't fully grasp the tooltip anyway. The range fields exist, they always have, and they've always been in the same place on the tooltip. Sorry if I sound harsh but really, you don't need to rush through reading a tooltip.

[Gruntler]

The wording "delivers an attack" always means physical damage. "Deals <element/aspect> damage" is always magical.

And delivering this information in this way has always been fucky, so if we're going to ask for clarity, maybe this here is a problem that needs addressed first. 'Just knowing' something that is not in the tooltips is not good conveyance.