Is SkillSpeed too weak?

[Cabalabob]

There are a few things I don’t like about skill/spell speed and I feel really need to be changed.

1. There should just be 1 speed stat. Having both skill and spell speed is just redundant, most jobs either use one type of move or the other and jobs that use both like PLD, DRK and RDM are just getting gimped for no reason and don’t have access to the other speed stat outside of melds they’re never going to waste slots on. They should change it to just be a speed or haste stat that effects all cast and recast times (and auto attacks, why not?)

2. It’s completely useless to some jobs. Jobs like PLD or MCH where shaving a few milliseconds off your GCD won’t help you fit anything extra into your burst window it just has no value. Yet it’s still on those job’s gear wasting stat points. They tried to address this by adding the increased DoT damage, but then DoTs became less prevalent on most jobs and they lowered the scaling. Speed stats need a little extra something so that all jobs can benefit from them.

3. It can be harmful to some jobs. Some stats lose value as you get too much of it like direct hit and some stats are just useless like tenacity. But skill speed and to a lesser extent spell speed can actually cause misalignment in your rotation if you have too much of it which can actually cost you dps. Increasing stats should never be lowering our dps. Whether this is something they need to change about speed stats or the way job rotations work as a whole I can’t say but something needs to be done here.

[DRKoftheAzure]

There are a few things I don’t like about skill/spell speed and I feel really need to be changed.

1. There should just be 1 speed stat. Having both skill and spell speed is just redundant, most jobs either use one type of move or the other and jobs that use both like PLD, DRK and RDM are just getting gimped for no reason and don’t have access to the other speed stat outside of melds they’re never going to waste slots on. They should change it to just be a speed or haste stat that effects all cast and recast times (and auto attacks, why not?)

Agreed. Though for PLD skillspeed for Goring Blade before and after Requiescat to keep the DoT up without losing DPS from letting the DoT fall off, PLD gets a free pass on that...

2. It’s completely useless to some jobs. Jobs like PLD or MCH where shaving a few milliseconds off your GCD won’t help you fit anything extra into your burst window it just has no value. Yet it’s still on those job’s gear wasting stat points. They tried to address this by adding the increased DoT damage, but then DoTs became less prevalent on most jobs and they lowered the scaling. Speed stats need a little extra something so that all jobs can benefit from them.

Same as above.

3. It can be harmful to some jobs. Some stats lose value as you get too much of it like direct hit and some stats are just useless like tenacity. But skill speed and to a lesser extent spell speed can actually cause misalignment in your rotation if you have too much of it which can actually cost you dps. Increasing stats should never be lowering our dps. Whether this is something they need to change about speed stats or the way job rotations work as a whole I can’t say but something needs to be done here.

Tenacity has better use on both WAR and DRK because it still adds damage to your toolkit more than skillspeed.

I also debunked the whole "skillspeed for WAR/DRK" not too long ago, though I may not be the first person to do it but I certainly won't be the last...

[Vendalwind]

Note i my above post my nin thresholds are not accurate*

They are total guesses but i know such thresholds exist

[zuzu-bq]

Speed stats and hastes buffs (all non personal were removed in Shadowbringers even) in general have the main issue of not fitting the class design of the game for the most part. Basically every class of this game has a great portion of their damage coming from Abilities and those don't scale or proc from GCDs. Making casting more weaponskills or spells not being as important, and sometimes breaking perfectly cycling rotations.

A good way to show this is to look at the jobs that have a good time with high speed, BLM being the one that enjoys it the most having actual 0 damage dealt directly from Abilities.

[Shurrikhan]

Speed stats and hastes buffs (all non personal were removed in Shadowbringers even) in general have the main issue of not fitting the class design of the game for the most part. Basically every class of this game has a great portion of their damage coming from Abilities and those don't scale or proc from GCDs. Making casting more weaponskills or spells not being as important, and sometimes breaking perfectly cycling rotations.

A good way to show this is to look at the jobs that have a good time with high speed, BLM being the one that enjoys it the most having actual 0 damage dealt directly from Abilities.

That leaves two equal options, though: (1) further reduce the already shallow options in the game to remove the chance of waste on inferior targets, or (2) add further undermechanics that allow for greater balance across those different options (e.g. scaled ability timers).

That they chose (1), yet again, shows the design philosophy of the devs more than it shows the constraints of the situation at that time.