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  1. #1
    Player
    Blokeymon's Avatar
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    Ul'Dah
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    Blokeymon Kenobi
    World
    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 80

    Genuine question for those upset with the new Mentor requirements

    This is gonna sound controversial but it's something I believe does need asking.

    Why do you need a crown symbol to help people?

    I can only really speak for Cerberus, but I know from friends on other servers that the Novice Networks tend to be full of people who really shouldn't be there at all. From those using it as their own personal elitist linkshell, to those who - quite frankly - have such a loose grasp on the game that their advice is just plain wrong.

    Mentors kicking other mentors for disagreeing with them, or kicking someone for being toxic and then getting kicked by the toxic persons friend. The Novice Networks are a mess, and I can count on one hand the number of crown-wearing mentors on Cerberus that are actually worthy of the title.

    The truth is, the crown is nothing more than a status symbol, and one that has been incredibly easy to obtain in the past. I've been playing since 2.0 launch and even though I make the cut for the new requirements, I personally know players who started mid-HW and have far more comms than I do - and I main WHM.

    I've met the requirements for Mentor since the day they were introduced, and I meet the new ones too, but I never wear the crown. Instead, I ask if anyone needs any tips when I see a "One or more are new to this dungeon" notification, when tanking I ask if healers are comfortable with big pulls, and when healing I'll let the tank know I like big pulls (and I cannot lie), and in doing this I end up getting comms even as a DPS. Because I don't need a crown to be a mentor.

    So let's be honest with ourselves here. This was never about helping people. It was about feeling superior.

    I genuinely hope these requirements weed out those Mentors who don't deserve the title, and allows those who do the chance to make the Novice Network the place it was meant to be - a one-stop shop for help and advice for new players.

    Cue the hate.
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    Last edited by Blokeymon; 10-04-2019 at 06:52 PM.
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    hynaku's Avatar
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Cuchulainn
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    Reaper Lv 100
    For me not sure how even became a mentor. But new requirements had that since heavenswards and for lvl80 jobs needed already have them. Think should need 3000 coms and 4000 dungeons to be one. Think they should have 2 novice networks to. One for the crafter mentors and another for pvp and pve mentors.
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    Miminming's Avatar
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    Arclest Aura
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    Belias
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Dont think most people want the crown to help others... mostly maybe mentor roullete for the two seater pegasus
    (i forgot the name)... i think this gonna be extremely frustating for people who are close on getting it but dont have the required comms for the next mentor requirement... just a wild guess though
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    Chrisnetika's Avatar
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    Elemiera Moonfrost
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    Kraken
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Recently I started taking off my crown because the toxicity against mentors lately.In-game new players are told to look for crowned players for help and advice so it identifies to new players who they can ask for help tho tbh they can ask just about anyone or join an fc to ask.Sometimes I get a request to be invited to novice network other times it for other things.Besides what I mentioned the other avenue I have to help others is just go up and ask them, when they see a crown it gives them some sort of assurance that person cannn help them.As for novice network, i do not even go in it on my server it really an unmoderated cesspool and new players are subject to seeing it is just .. zzz.With savage content, fflogs and alot of wow refugees coming over(we all heard about that community) not surprising to see elitism brew and people wanting to feel superior and sadly yes mentorship can be the vessel for that.
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    Enjuden's Avatar
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    Enju Abbagliato
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    I mean, it's been a long time since the game started. If you don't have 1500 comms, you're doing something horribly wrong and shouldn't be teaching people in the first place.

    I can't even be mad, and took off the crown since Discord does the job better anyway with more accurate/consistent info with less risk for both the helpers and the ones wanting help. If they need the help I'll chime in, but it usually just boils down to players not pushing their OGCD buttons, which opens up a lot of the game.

    But yea, from what I hear it's pretty consistent that Novice Network needed a hard purge, and probably needs even stricter requirements to be a mentor for PvE/PvP than what we're getting.
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    Last edited by Enjuden; 10-04-2019 at 08:04 PM.

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    Destati's Avatar
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    Aoki Kha
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Enjuden View Post
    I mean, it's been a long time since the game started. If you don't have 1500 comms, you're doing something horribly wrong and shouldn't be teaching people in the first place.
    Oooor, you haven't been playing since the dawn of the game and/or you've mostly been playing as a DPS.
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    Hmmm, did it change? Used to be on any time you logged in, until you turned it off manually. Still reappears if you run mentor roulette regardless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Destati View Post
    Oooor, you haven't been playing since the dawn of the game and/or you've mostly been playing as a DPS.
    This character is about 9 months old and has about 1200 comms on her, with more dps leveled than healers or tank. You might be doing something wrong.
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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Dyslexius Nervar
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    This character is about 9 months old and has about 1200 comms on her, with more dps leveled than healers or tank. You might be doing something wrong.
    Hardly; it all depends on what you actually main. Also who you group with. A dps who runs with their friends obviously isn't going to get a lot of comms.
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    RyuSaarva's Avatar
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    Ryu Saarva
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    This character is about 9 months old and has about 1200 comms on her, with more dps leveled than healers or tank. You might be doing something wrong.
    comms are mostly about luck, playing as female helps you get comms though.
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    Mavrias's Avatar
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuSaarva View Post
    comms are mostly about luck, playing as female helps you get comms though.
    Only if you dont ever interact in dungeons. But idk why youa would assume you would get a commendation for silently doing nothing special in dungeons.

    Plenty of female characters also dont get commendations, so idk what the point of that innocuous comment was.
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