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    SE is by no means a smol indie company, its a giant corporation with hundred of millions of $$ funds to throw at the games, just like they did with FFXV creating absolute mess.

    There are companies that could upgrade their graphical engines, upgrade their netcode to the game and change a lot of technically difficult stuff for a part of the money SE is doing on FFXIV.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 10-08-2019 at 08:17 AM.

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    Gotta spend money to make money. Fixing small things like how the inventory system works and they claim how it's a load on servers would be a start.

    Invest some time to fix inventory code and then you can massively improve systems like Glamm storage and so on. Maybe stop charging real money for extra storage as well.
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    Silene De'lune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    Gotta spend money to make money. Fixing small things like how the inventory system works and they claim how it's a load on servers would be a start.

    Invest some time to fix inventory code and then you can massively improve systems like Glamm storage and so on. Maybe stop charging real money for extra storage as well.
    That would be tricky because of the mess 1.0 was and it would take away resources from working on new things that they have in their pipeline. Who's going to pay the developers and engineers to do that if we aren't paying for things like extra storage?
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    It also has to be developed using SE Crystal Tools (or whatever engine they use now... was Crystal Tools the old one?)
    Crystal Tools was used to build 1.0 (and was one of the reasons for its downfall). The developers use the Luminous Engine for most of FFXIV now—however, there’s likely still 1.0 spaghetti code floating around, and I really wouldn’t be surprised if its continued existence is why some things aren’t implemented; or why other things are implemented, but operate in an extremely cumbersome way.
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    Tal Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Crystal Tools was used to build 1.0 (and was one of the reasons for its downfall). The developers use the Luminous Engine for most of FFXIV now—however, there’s likely still 1.0 spaghetti code floating around, and I really wouldn’t be surprised if its continued existence is why some things aren’t implemented; or why other things are implemented, but operate in an extremely cumbersome way.
    Nearly all the old code was scrapped. IIRC it was only some item and character database stuff that made the transition, primarily because 1.0 characters had to be able to be imported into 2.0.

    Which makes sense when you think about the type of things they have issues implementing.
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    Not sure if this is a troll post, but I'll take it as a legit discussion.

    You are right in saying that it takes money to develop stuff, but more than that it takes time and human resources.
    Yoshida san has said before that even more money or more developers can't make them release updates faster.
    He also has a tight schedule for every patch, everything that will go into the next patch gets scheduled and assigned.
    Adding more stuff in the middle of an iteration is hard, so they usually move into onto the next one.

    Development is a complex thing, multiple factors can affect the ability of a team to introduce changes or features.
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    Quite a few people understand things cost money to implement, they just still want it. I think you're exceptionally simplifying your opposition and being insulting at the same time (see your points of being soft and insecurities as reference, I feel like making a poor and insulting form of communication).

    As for the idea of the thread I wonder if Mogshop could contain that concept... I'm just worried that it would lead to bad behaviors where they don't add anything significant unless it's been kickstarted by the players first (and then of course monetizing the result of their kickstart, meaning SE doesn't put it's own funds forward as much... which is normally what one would expect from businesses). Like other big corporations with lootbox fever and claim they can't make anything without them- which we know is not true (see CDProjektRed), and even though they have massive funds they don't seem to invest those massive funds for anything more interesting (see those lootbox sport games as reference lol). Just seems like opening a path to worse deals on the player's part (though a very honest company could potentially use the idea for great effect for both the game, players, and dev team).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 10-08-2019 at 03:53 AM.

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    They can take part of that budget from the bag "15 euros for mounts/glams that should have been implemented by quests" and use it.
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    The danged company probably make more than all of us combined lol.
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    Michael Stark
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    i kinda feel like i am crowdfunding it... like... with my subscription fee.

    they want me to still be subscribed next month right? and the month after that? we are telling them how they can get that outcome. this is the easiest focus group in the world. companies PAY for this sort of thing?

    so not only am i crowdfunding their development with my subscription, i'm working for free by supplementing their market research! i am the BEST SE fan.

    what are YOU doing here other than suggesting crazy monetization models that will get them laughed off the internet? why are you trying to sabotage this poor multibillion dollar global corporation like that? why do you hate squeenix and want to see FFXIV die?

    yikes, man. <.< you clearly have issues
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