Release a 16 person 4 hour long dungeon

[Delsus]

I love how people say "people couldn't stay for 4hrs" when the FFXI players know we did that in dynamis and in sky we would sometimes farm for 6-8hrs.

[Rydin]

I love how people say "people couldn't stay for 4hrs" when the FFXI players know we did that in dynamis and in sky we would sometimes farm for 6-8hrs.

yes but they've been trending the opposite direction based on this

[Delsus]

yes but they've been trending the opposite direction based on this

Yeah, Pandamonium Warden was the second hardest NM in the game, first was Absolute Virtue pre vanapocolipse (lvl cap rise) Absolute Virtue could only be beaten with exploits that got nerfed, and Pandamonium Warden got nerfed to make things like this 18hr fight not happen, The only reason SE nerfed PW was because of the possible law suites when people were forced to play that long to kill him.

[Rydin]

Yeah, Pandamonium Warden was the second hardest NM in the game, first was Absolute Virtue pre vanapocolipse (lvl cap rise) Absolute Virtue could only be beaten with exploits that got nerfed, and Pandamonium Warden got nerfed to make things like this 18hr fight not happen, The only reason SE nerfed PW was because of the possible law suites when people were forced to play that long to kill him.

Exactly.. and law suits scare companies... A LOT...
enough to make them go from one extreme to another....
Going from 18 hour multiple alliance fights to 25 minute, 8 man content

[Nexxus]

I love how people say "people couldn't stay for 4hrs" when the FFXI players know we did that in dynamis and in sky we would sometimes farm for 6-8hrs.

I didn't liked Dynamis, because it was to much farm for to long and so repetitively, in one word : boring.

What i miss from FFXI the most is, limbus, a whole lot of path, you can choose wich one you want and at the end once you've gathered last boss item from each path, you where able to do the mega boss and drop some awesome stuff.
And if you didn't want the awesome stuff, there was still the Ancient Beastcoin, the AFv1+1 items.
You were not able to spam it, as all others event, 3 day cooldown, so it took us month to gatherer all the Omega & Ultima pop item.
And it last only 1h~ / run, so much fun there, i hope to see that in FFXIV in a way.

[Jinko]

I love how people say "people couldn't stay for 4hrs" when the FFXI players know we did that in dynamis and in sky we would sometimes farm for 6-8hrs.

Yea but MMO's have moved away from that time sinky game play that we all used to play when we had nothing better to do, no family ties and didn't work for a living.

[Peptaru]

AV was killable with the proper abilities to lock out most of his powers. PW was killable with necro BLU.... i'd say PW was harder til the level jump.

[Delsus]

AV was killable with the proper abilities to lock out most of his powers. PW was killable with necro BLU.... i'd say PW was harder til the level jump.

It was worked out that you had about 0.2 secs to react to lock out his 2hrs, if one person was off (paticularly a WHM or RDM) it would take forever or insta wipe, I have heard of ppl getting AV to 2% then Benediction, fun, and when he uses chainspell isnt it meteor spam? The devs said AV was the best mob they made, and if Tanaka was still incharge here, he would prolly make a grand return.

I really wouldn't mind 4hr raids they could have the best of the best gear that not even materia gear could beat for the hardcore crowd, it would be easily scalable with softcore and midcore raids and dungeons, which is the key, softcore content offers weaker gear, midcore is a little better and hardcore is the absolute best, take FFXI's relic gear, it cost over 200m or 2yrs never missing a Dynamis run to get, but it was worth it (thats before it was nerfed so anyone can get it) perhaps it was a little too much, but a similar system that takes atleast 6 months to get the best gear for the hardcores would be good.

No one would force you to do this, just if you felt more hardcore you can. Also on the crystal tower, I really hope its a Nyzul style raid, I loved Nyzul and if a similar raid was here I would live there

[Rydin]

I really wouldn't mind 4hr raids they could have the best of the best gear that not even materia gear could beat for the hardcore crowd, it would be easily scalable with softcore and midcore raids and dungeons, which is the key, softcore content offers weaker gear, midcore is a little better and hardcore is the absolute best, take FFXI's relic gear, it cost over 200m or 2yrs never missing a Dynamis run to get, but it was worth it (thats before it was nerfed so anyone can get it) perhaps it was a little too much, but a similar system that takes atleast 6 months to get the best gear for the hardcores would be good.

You actually bring up a good question... something I was pondering

Should a 4 hour raid give the best gear outright...
Have a low drop rate of the best gear
or some system where you have to do this a few times a week for weeks or months to work up to the best gear?

what say you all?

[Delsus]

You actually bring up a good question... something I was pondering

Should a 4 hour raid give the best gear outright...
Have a low drop rate of the best gear
or some system where you have to do this a few times a week for weeks or months to work up to the best gear?

what say you all?

I think it should after a few months to give hardcores a long term goal, from reading this a 4hr dungeon would mainly be the hardcores anyway so they would not complain, if you want the best of the best gear you need the time sinks imo.