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    WAR's holmgang needs a resistance buff.

    So, every other tanks disable type skill like stuns or pull backs, knockbacks, etc.... Those have resistances. WAR's holmgang though? You can be yanked by 4 WAR's in a row one after another and be locked in place. I get that Tomahawk is their form of disable but they get two then?.... One of which can be chained indefinitely until the person is just zerged? That doesn't seem right.
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    Most likely because they balance for Feast, not Frontlines and obviously you don't get 4 Warriors in Feast. And having 4 Warriors chain holm you is a huge reach as it is.

    Can't see any reason why they wouldn't just add that though since on the same vein, it'd have no affect on 4v4 whatsoever.
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    Taking the L for 4 holmgangs sounds like a good trade regardless, if there was a competitive FL mode where cd economy mattered
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    Does Fluid Aura trigger either of the respective resistance effects?

    If it doesn't, then they likely just goofed with coding abilities that offer multiple types of crowd control simultaneously. If it does, then they goofed with Holmgang specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Does Fluid Aura trigger either of the respective resistance effects?

    If it doesn't, then they likely just goofed with coding abilities that offer multiple types of crowd control simultaneously. If it does, then they goofed with Holmgang specifically.
    Well Fluid Aura is a knockback, not a draw or a bind, and knockbacks are on DR so half yes (it triggers the knockback DR). I don't even think draw effects exist in PvE which could largely be a reason why they don't have resistance tied to them, as Holmgang and Unmend only had this behaviour after Heavensward. Also ties into that other point again where they haven't goofed if they've balanced the game for feast - because you'd only get drawn once so having a DR would be pointless as the CD is longer than the actual DR itself.

    Anyway, Holmgang ignores resistance, it's on the tooltip - so it was obviously done on purpose and is countered by Temperance. Play White Mage if it scares you.
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    Now I feel like I should be playing WAR instead of DRK.

    I'm always trying to yank priority targets likes battle high players or healers out of a group so they can be burned down more easily but Unleash scarcely seems to budge them even if they aren't packing resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII View Post
    Most likely because they balance for Feast, not Frontlines and obviously you don't get 4 Warriors in Feast. And having 4 Warriors chain holm you is a huge reach as it is.

    Can't see any reason why they wouldn't just add that though since on the same vein, it'd have no affect on 4v4 whatsoever.
    Agreed. Balancing for Frontlines in this case would have no negative effect on Feast, since when having only one Warrior, you're not going to see two Holmgangs within the same DR period...
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    Holmgang has tiny range and binds the war and is useless if it has resistance and is on 45 sec cd. Binds for like 3 secs. So no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    Holmgang has tiny range and binds the war and is useless if it has resistance and is on 45 sec cd. Binds for like 3 secs. So no.
    Please read it again. This is not about your 1v1. You think it is useless abut a lot people find it is very strong when used correctly. Charge to a target, knock the target towards alliance. Rotate hole gang until target dirs
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    The bind on Holmgang makes it way more useful then Unleash for securing kills on players because latency often results in Unleash just making them slingshot back to their original position a second after they get pulled over.
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