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  1. #11
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Quote Originally Posted by RymmraelFalk View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong (really, please do.) but they way Minor Arcana works now allows you to turn a basic card into a lord/lady and then you are able to hold(or use it) on it while allowing draw to get back on cd. Wouldn't changing it into a instant action from draw limit you? I feel like this is risking wasting a buff and also prolonging draw's cooldown for no actual reason.
    It would not, as it is now, your Draw draws your card, then goes on cooldown. Then you either use Play to throw the card at someone, Redraw it for a new card, or Press Minor Arcana, get a Lord/Lady, then you have to press Play again to play the Lord or Lady card.

    Now it will be "Press Minor Arcana, and it automatically turns into and plays the new card." They essentially now cut out the middle man and play it the moment you convert it. Draw will always go on cooldown, so you are not delaying the draw cooldown unless you simply do not play the card within 30 seconds (at which point the Draw is back off cooldown"
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  2. #12
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    Rymmrael Falkholskwyn
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    Ok, that's fair. For some reason Play being separate totally escaped my mind as a skill. However I will say I still feels this is a needless change and still risks the potential waste of a buff between pulls/phase changes (eden savage as plenty of very long mechanic/phase changes).

    I'm sure this is just a personal issue with my own playstyle but again this simply feels like a non issue that other issues should of taken its spot.
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  3. #13
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    Gunther Frey
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    Quote Originally Posted by RymmraelFalk View Post
    Ok, that's fair. For some reason Play being separate totally escaped my mind as a skill. However I will say I still feels this is a needless change and still risks the potential waste of a buff between pulls/phase changes (eden savage as plenty of very long mechanic/phase changes).

    I'm sure this is just a personal issue with my own playstyle but again this simply feels like a non issue that other issues should of taken its spot.
    It does not, as long as you're holding the card, you are still holding it's appropriate Minor Arcana, visually it will seem different but mechanically it isn't.
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  4. #14
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    It does not, as long as you're holding the card, you are still holding it's appropriate Minor Arcana, visually it will seem different but mechanically it isn't.
    This does have some side-effects for people with <mo> macros, but that's something we'll just need to work around.
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  5. #15
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    I am concerned about whether this change will benefit macro players like me more or not, but in a different way.

    Do people remember there was a person who posted about doing the <1~8> macro to avoid manually swapping targets?

    If new Minor Arcana has its own built-in "Play", that means the macro won't work for Lady/Lord anymore. We are likely have to make another 8 sets of macros for it to avoid manual target swap >_______>

    Does the change benefits controller people more?
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  6. #16
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    Jets Down
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    Yay they are making minor arcana less cumbersome \o/, yet their reasoning just makes me laugh you already know what card gives which minor arcana so we cut out Lord/Lady they will just apply their effects when using minor arcana.

    So rip animations of those cards.

    Who wants to bet what gets cut from Ast's card system next?
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  7. #17
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Yay they are making minor arcana less cumbersome \o/, yet their reasoning just makes me laugh you already know what card gives which minor arcana so we cut out Lord/Lady they will just apply their effects when using minor arcana.

    So rip animations of those cards.

    Who wants to bet what gets cut from Ast's card system next?
    Just cut the whole damn system next, lmao.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Archwizard Drake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miziliti View Post
    I am concerned about whether this change will benefit macro players like me more or not, but in a different way.

    Do people remember there was a person who posted about doing the <1~8> macro to avoid manually swapping targets?

    If new Minor Arcana has its own built-in "Play", that means the macro won't work for Lady/Lord anymore. We are likely have to make another 8 sets of macros for it to avoid manual target swap >_______>
    This may come as a surprise, but... the devs usually don't balance around macros.
    In fact the occasional balance change is often seen to be made specifically to spite macro users -- or at least, to prevent the rotation from being so easy to use as to be macro'd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    So rip animations of those cards.

    Who wants to bet what gets cut from Ast's card system next?
    I could see the cards getting combined animations.
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  9. #19
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    Mike Arklight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Who wants to bet what gets cut from Ast's card system next?
    at the direction SE is going ,it feels like the card system itself will be out next :P
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