That's great... but can we have an INSTANCED Housing area

[SerLuke]

Honestly It hink people would see those two ideas as the same thing. Not saying they are, but like if I presented:

Do you either want-

A. I expand apartments to the point they're their own space, you have an inside and outside like a cottage in the woods. You can use all the features of housing, all of them. You can also upgrade the plot sizes.

B. I create a system that does exactly what I just asid above.. it's just not apartments.

I think people would be like.. Uh... I just care about the features and sooner is better than later, I don't care what path you took behind the scenes to get there. lol. I think that's too much minutiae at that point, maybe something they'll care about for us it doesn't fit the general sense of "this is what I want, and that (currently) doesn't do it".

I guess what if I’m getting at is this,

Okay say devs see a bunch of posts saying “apartments are bad! We want a new instanced housing system” the creation of a new system is obviously more of a daunting task and the devs would likely just abandon any idea of upgrading apartments because eh if people think apartments are bad why bother putting more time/money into them?

Now if the feedback is “apartments are a step in the right direction, but can we add some kinda outside are and a way to expand the inside area?” That’s workable, the devs know what works and what doesn’t. I just think a lot of people kinda shot themselves in the foot when it comes to feedback on here, it comes off as so overly negative/hyperbolic it makes the person look impossible to please. Feedback should include what works and what doesn’t work as a basis for improvements instead of making every unliked change the game sound like the second coming of 1.0.

[Moonlite]

I guess what if I’m getting at is this,

Okay say devs see a bunch of posts saying “apartments are bad! We want a new instanced housing system” the creation of a new system is obviously more of a daunting task and the devs would likely just abandon any idea of upgrading apartments because eh if people think apartments are bad why bother putting more time/money into them?

Now if the feedback is “apartments are a step in the right direction, but can we add some kinda outside are and a way to expand the inside area?” That’s workable, the devs know what works and what doesn’t. I just think a lot of people kinda shot themselves in the foot when it comes to feedback on here, it comes off as so overly negative/hyperbolic it makes the person look impossible to please. Feedback should include what works and what doesn’t work as a basis for improvements instead of making every unliked change the game sound like the second coming of 1.0.

You are making the leap that they can actually improve apartments. It is pretty clear they were just open FC rooms. They even have same limit of instances as a FC house. It might be even harder to fix apartments as is now.

[Shougun]

I guess what if I’m getting at is this,

Okay say devs see a bunch of posts saying “apartments are bad! We want a new instanced housing system” the creation of a new system is obviously more of a daunting task and the devs would likely just abandon any idea of upgrading apartments because eh if people think apartments are bad why bother putting more time/money into them?

Now if the feedback is “apartments are a step in the right direction, but can we add some kinda outside are and a way to expand the inside area?” That’s workable, the devs know what works and what doesn’t. I just think a lot of people kinda shot themselves in the foot when it comes to feedback on here, it comes off as so overly negative/hyperbolic it makes the person look impossible to please. Feedback should include what works and what doesn’t work as a basis for improvements instead of making every unliked change the game sound like the second coming of 1.0.

I think SE shot themselves in the foot with their sys---.... /bad me bad.. lol.

To be fair to some people who've issue with the system, like myself, I said most of the issues SE would have before they released it.. and have kept saying the same thing since (that the desired end goal has been laid out fairly consistently, and issues with the current system have been said by a few at least for a long time). And what I wished happened hasn't really shifted, basically I just reference Wildstar as an easy "this is what would have been perfect for your game". Because FF seems to be all about that freedom, our job system being one of the pinnacle points- so a housing system to be free and full of grand magic too seems like "that's what we should have done". Rather than a fairly hardcore housing system that we have now which fits games centered around those ideas (like Dark age of Camelot, a game I'm pretty sure inspired our housing system).

Also just wanted to note I added a section to the post you quoted after you replied, in case you wanted to read that (my bad for editing it later lol).

I agree it helps to give SE clear ideas of what people want.. honestly I've wrote enough, care enough, that like I could probably whip together an impromptu 1 hour presentation on housing at this point lol. I appreciate if people are trying to sift out rage to actual desires (or all my salt), just for clarity of SE's sake just so long as we're both thinking similar that wanting a new system and expanding a system so greatly that it's basically that new desired system are fairly similar ideas. By that I mean if they didn't expand apartment feature 'so greatly that it becomes like that system you're asking for' so what we're going to do is expand it 2% and pretend we did 100% :P. It's fine if SE goes "oh.. well.. we can do 2% now and we'll try to get 100% over time.." but not to confuse 2% with done and satisfied. If SE was like "we added another floor to apartments, you're happy now- right?, no one has a single complaint anymore right?" wrong.. Although that's still a pretty cool expansion. I'd clap (sincerely) that they did that but also be like "don't stop, keep going!!!".

So yeah for clarity sake I don't mind how they get to end point goal utopia I just care that we're going there and not stopping by dystonia for an indefinite stay and also telling everyone that "we've made it, this is it, this is the destination you all wanted", as no it's not lol.

[Videra]

Something something small indie company.

[Lacan]

but... instanced housing would ruin my immersion! A highly competitive housing market is pretty realistic. I mean, getting a house doesn't feel very special if everyone else gets to have one too. You gotta have some homeless people to make the home owners feel accomplished.

[FoxyAreku]

Having an instanced (budget) housing for people who don't care about being in a neighborhood would be okay. So long as they are cheaper for the worse experience.

[Grizzybehr]

This is a band-aid for an axe wound. I expected little, but was STILL let down by this garbage news. Ridiculous.

[SerLuke]

I think SE shot themselves in the foot with their sys---.... /bad me bad.. lol.

To be fair to some people who've issue with the system, like myself, I said most of the issues SE would have before they released it.. and have kept saying the same thing since. And what I wished happened hasn't really shifted, basically I just reference Wildstar as an easy "this is what would have been perfect for your game". Because FF seems to be all about that freedom, our job system being one of the pinnacle points- so a housing system to be free and full of grand magic too seems like "that's what we should have done" rather than a fairly hardcore housing system that we have now which fits games centered around those ideas (like Dark age of Camelot a game I'm pretty sure inspired our housing system).

Also just wanted to note I added a section to the post you quoted after you replied, in case you wanted to read that (my bad for editing it later lol).

I agree it helps to give SE clear ideas of what people want.. honestly I've wrote enough, care enough, that like I could probably whip together an impromptu 1 presentation on housing at this point lol. I appreciate if people are trying to sift out rage to actual desires, just for clarity of SE's sake just so long as we're both thinking similar that wanting a new system and expanding a system so greatly that it's basically that new desired system are fairly similar ideas. By that I mean we can't say if you expand apartment feature so greatly that it becomes like that system you're asking for so what we're going to do is expand it 2% and pretend we did 100% :P. It's fine if SE goes "oh.. well.. we can do 2% now and we'll try to get 100%.." but not to confuse 2% with done and satisfied. If se was like "we added another floor to apartments, you're happy now right, no one has a single complaint anymore right?" wrong.. Although that's still a pretty cool expansion. I'd clap that they did that but also be like "don't stop, keep going!!!".

So yeah for clarity sake I don't mind how they get to end point goal utopia I just care that we're going there and not stopping by dystonia for an indefinite stay and also telling everyone that "we've made it, this is it, this is the destination you all wanted", as no it's not lol.

I dunno if the 2% thing is a reference to the ward additions by I don’t think they are claiming that’s their final plan there, assuming that Ishgard housing does eventually happen as part of Ishgard restoration it would be another whole housing area like the ones we have now... plus the two wards that are being added to the other areas, assuming that’s the plan will it be enough to make everyone happy? No, will it be a huge step in the right direction? Yes.

[Shougun]

I dunno if the 2% thing is a reference to the ward additions by I don’t think they are claiming that’s their final plan there, assuming that Ishgard housing does eventually happen as part of Ishgard restoration it would be another whole housing area like the ones we have now... plus the two wards that are being added to the other areas, assuming that’s the plan will it be enough to make everyone happy? No, will it be a huge step in the right direction? Yes.

2% was a number pulled from thin air, like statistics normally are . Was just to say if they make progress that's awesome (I don't expect mountains to be done all at once), but if they barely make progress then it shan't be called done or close to done.

To be clear though adding more wards would not make me feel any % improved. They could add 10000 new wards, 100x more wards than players- I'd think they would have made a mistake doing that (would have certainly killed the neighborhood, new meaning to ghost town lol). Making apartments in the wards be able to upgrade into pocket wards, that'd be something though.

Instanced houses is the desire, not more wards (and at least for my own desires it's been this way since inception of their system, I've not been waffling about on that idea lol).

[SerLuke]

You are making the leap that they can actually improve apartments. It is pretty clear they were just open FC rooms. They even have same limit of instances as a FC house. It might be even harder to fix apartments as is now.

Everything in the game can be improved, the question is the amount of time/money/resources it would take for it to happen worthwhile. There was stuff they originally couldn’t do in the game because of the 1.0 legacy code that they eventually worked around it took time but it was doable.