Hybrid Jobs Discussion

[Brightshadow]

As the title reads, how do you think hybrid jobs should work in this game?

This is how I think they should work: We know that certain jobs such as Red Mage have lower DPS than Black Mage since they have utility such as Vercure and Verraise, so what if these hybrids could work in a similar fashion to the crystal exarch in the aspect that when queuing for the duty finder you fill in whatever role is missing from the party, for example if you queue in the duty finder and no healers are available you become the healer and your skills become slightly altered, your verfire/stone/aero/thunder spells would get a slight nerf while your vercure would get a buff, and your scatter would change to vermedica. All these skills would appear in your action list but you can only set your default role skills. For instance RDM would be DPS so outside of matched services you cannot set vermedica.

The Pro: Playing a hybrid actually has a benefit even if your output might not be optimal.
The Con: Your output is still slightly lower than other jobs, but you can fulfill needed roles in parties. (This wouldn't work in solo heal/tank situations, but I guess a disable button can be added in duty finder settings.)

[Noitems]

So you want to bring back something in the vein of the cross class system?

Nice idea but no thank you.

[Brightshadow]

So you want to bring back something in the vein of the cross class system?

Nice idea but no thank you.

Your actions will change based on the role your matched in, and not every job will be considered a hybrid. For example Black Mage or White Mage are purist.

Here is a small tidbit of how the system can alter skills for RDM:

Default and if matched as DPS: Scatter = Scatter
If matched as Healer: Scatter = Vermedica

These skills aren't settable but they appear in your skill list similar to how you cannot set certain skills.

[Noitems]

Your actions will change based on the role your matched in, and not every job will be considered a hybrid. For example Black Mage or White Mage are purist.

Example as DPS: Scatter = Scatter
Example as Healer: Scatter = Vermedica

What ends up happening though and was the biggest pain for the CC system was you had to level multiple jobs you would never play in order to get skills.

Like back in the day where certain jobs would have to play BRD to get Hawkeye or CNJ to get protect and cure to use on other jobs. I don't even want to imagine if a system like that were to be matched with lvl 80+ content where you would have to level those jobs you may never play to get a single skill.

[Shurrikhan]

What ends up happening though and was the biggest pain for the CC system was you had to level multiple jobs you would never play in order to get skills.

Like back in the day where certain jobs would have to play BRD to get Hawkeye or CNJ to get protect and cure to use on other jobs. I don't even want to imagine if a system like that were to be matched with lvl 80+ content where you would have to level those jobs you may never play to get a single skill.

There was literally zero mention in the OP of what you're indicating.

Can anyone link that "skip thread contents; hastily reply using standard retort based on irrelevant flaw from XIV's earlier history" topic list we're almost all tacitly following?

[Duelle]

There was literally zero mention in the OP of what you're indicating.

Quoting this for emphasis.

What the OP is suggesting is basically the game auto-selecting a specialization for your job depending on which role is needed if your job is considered a hybrid job. Instead of complaining about the defunct cross-class system (that has nothing to do with the OP's suggestion at all), what should be discussed is the feasibility of multiple roles/specialization within each job (short answer: most jobs don't have the leeway required for this to work across all jobs).

While RDM is the obvious go to because of it historically being a hybrid job that would greatly benefit from a specialization system (think the WoW class specs or the talent trees from Rift), the one that would be a real winner here would be Blue Mage, as that could be its gateway to getting to play the rest of the game with us instead of being confined to their carnival and solo runs of old content. Admittedly, it'd be difficult to balance and require more work than the developers might be willing to put into the job because of all the other stuff on their plate, but it is possible.

[Brightshadow]

What? You don't need to level anything else with this system. The skills are automatically changed to whatever role you are matched into when in a party.

[Noitems]

What? You don't need to level anything else with this system. The skills are automatically changed to whatever role you are matched into when in a party.

You're still in turn asking someone to learn a different job for the sake of it. In your example of RDM you're asking an RDM to become a healer and change an aoe spell into an aoe heal.

They tried concepts of dps being heals/tanks in Eureka with logos but that didn't last long since people realized their normal jobs they were used to were better.

It'd be a fun side mode but it would and should never take over the formula we got going on right now for the sake of understanding your job.

[Raldo]

I assume you'll have to choose in advance which role you're queuing as, which rather defeats the purpose of this idea. If that's all you want, level SMN/SCH.

If you DON'T choose in advance, then by the time they're done implementing this, they could've just let you queue for different duties (or the same duty) as different jobs and achieve the same effect without having to make role-specific-but-same-job weird actions.

[Brightshadow]

I assume you'll have to choose in advance which role you're queuing as, which rather defeats the purpose of this idea. If that's all you want, level SMN/SCH.

If you DON'T choose in advance, then by the time they're done implementing this, they could've just let you queue for different duties (or the same duty) as different jobs and achieve the same effect without having to make role-specific-but-same-job weird actions.

No your role is changed automatically after 1 - 5 minutes of waiting in the duty finder to fill whatever role is missing. As for premade/fixed parties they could come up with a way to allow us to choose.