New Mentor requirements

[Noitems]

I can agree to that. I can't even do the mentor roulette, but I've been a mentor for like.. over half a year now?
When I first became a mentor, the page of duties I needed to complete was so big that I couldn't see them all. I hadn't even completed every dungeon, and I wasn't done SB.

Right? I felt the same way, thankfully the oddball ones like A Relic Reborn and Hildi are just things people try out anyway. I had some friends take me through all of Alex and the HW ex's and it was really fun seeing all the stuff play out for my first time.

Then when SHB came out I still hadn't cleared Tsukuyomi EX and Suzaku EX so I did them with my raid friends it was also great.

I think in that way everyone knows what they're talking about and can respect people's time doing it. I enjoy the NN when it's a fun community but the bar is so low to enter you find people being actual gits in it filling a slot for an actual mentors who can help if the others are busy.

There are screenshots of other NN's on TalesfromDF subreddit of a NN kick chain going on and it's just ridiculous.

[Hash_Browns]

I don't see the benefit. Are you going to remember them all just because you've done them once? You don't need to know every piece of content in the game to teach someone basic rotations or common dungeon advice or etiquette. The point of the mentor system should be to allow the more experienced members of the playerbase to help newcomers, not to create an exclusive club.

The problem is that while the mentor system *SHOULD* be used to teach the basics of gameplay to low level players, that's not the case.
You can be a novice, and level 70, when you should already understand the basics of the game. EX trials also are things that can happen in the mentor roulette, and they are also a requirement.

So while mentors are being advertised as a person who helps new players get off the ground, you can very much so click on a mentor roulette, and end up in a synced Hells' Kier EX trial with level 70 sprouts.

SE either needs to remove the EX requirement, and lower the level of sprouts - or increase the requirement and expectations of mentors.

Edit:

looking at the NN list, I see sprouts who have multiple level 80 classes. So it seems level doesn't even play a factor.

[Crushnight]

The problem is that while the mentor system *SHOULD* be used to teach the basics of gameplay to low level players, that's not the case.
You can be a novice, and level 70, when you should already understand the basics of the game. EX trials also are things that can happen in the mentor roulette, and they are also a requirement.

So while mentors are being advertised as a person who helps new players get off the ground, you can very much so click on a mentor roulette, and end up in a synced Hells' Kier EX trial with level 70 sprouts.

SE either needs to remove the EX requirement, and lower the level of sprouts - or increase the requirement and expectations of mentors.

Edit:

looking at the NN list, I see sprouts who have multiple level 80 classes. So it seems level doesn't even play a factor.

It's completing "A Requiem for Heroes" quest essentially complete Stormblood all patches AND have a sufficient enough playtime (168 hours) you can have multiple level 80 jobs and not fulfill the requirement for either of these two conditions.

[Barraind]

That is the thing if a player does not leave enough of an impact to warrant someone consciously giving them a commend then that just means in the groups eyes they were not worthy

Ehh, commendations are kinda useless. You cant give them to anyone you pre-form with, even if those are the "worthy" players, which means that if you mostly play dps, and mostly play with friends, you're probably waaaaaaaaay behind on them.

Additionally, theres people who will only give them to certain people; I have a friend that will only give them to dps, because "dps dont get many comms and they might as well have useless points too".


Tying them to anything except the stupid stuff they're already tied to (beyond maybe having like 50 of them to show you've done a few things with actual people) is pretty nonsense.

[Hash_Browns]

It's completing "A Requiem for Heroes" quest essentially complete Stormblood all patches AND have a sufficient enough playtime (168 hours) you can have multiple level 80 jobs and not fulfill the requirement for either of these two conditions.

Ahh, that makes sense.
Really though, I can understand a returning player - but why are players considered novices still at that point?

[SaitoHikari]

The only flaw I see in this (and it's a big one) is that commendations are incredibly subjective. In my particular case, it's likely based on the class I chose to main.

I'm currently sitting at around 5.1k comms, about 4k of them being earned in my last three years of maining Bard (the rest from my first year or so of being a White Mage main). However, I recall that I entered Stormblood with 3.5k comms, so the amount of comms I got dropped quite a lot even if I got better as a player overall. What happened? Bards were rare in Heavensward due to the whole bowmage thing, so I assume I got way more in Heavensward because I really stood out as a Bard player back then. Since Stormblood, it's not quite as obvious if a Bard is playing optimally, relative to other Bards.

It's likely a lot worse for other classes, who may be straight up taken for granted. It seems most of the people I know with ~1k comms or below that have been playing the game as long as, if not longer than I have tend to be Black Mage mains in particular.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Just me theory crafting but what if the raise from 300 commendations to 1,500 was to get people to play tanks and healers more? Because let's face it, as a DPS you're more than likely not to get commendations no matter how perfect your rotations are or how good your damage output is; it is what it is. I know when I was a BRD when I first started, I barely got any commendations and it wasn't until I started healing that I received commendations like it was my birthday every single duty. I think SE knows this and is trying to encourage people who main DPS and only DPS to try other roles as well. Having said that, there is an obvious flaw in this system because of course one could get commendations for just being the last person to leave an instance or for having on really good looking glam. Honestly, I don't really feel any particular way about this as all the other criteria is reasonable and easily obtainable. Just food for thought if you run solely DPS.

[Awha]

Ehh, commendations are kinda useless. You cant give them to anyone you pre-form with, even if those are the "worthy" players, which means that if you mostly play dps, and mostly play with friends, you're probably waaaaaaaaay behind on them.

Additionally, theres people who will only give them to certain people; I have a friend that will only give them to dps, because "dps dont get many comms and they might as well have useless points too".


Tying them to anything except the stupid stuff they're already tied to (beyond maybe having like 50 of them to show you've done a few things with actual people) is pretty nonsense.

Yeah the current system is filled with biases, but that goes hand in hand with praise in general. What I am trying to the commendations serve as praise, if ones actions are not enough to sway people from them established norms what does it matter if the group does not commend you.

[HyoMinPark]

I disagree with increasing the commendation to 1,500. Say, someone is a DPS main. They enjoy being a DPS way more than healing and tanking, as required to maintain mentor ship status. It's generally not as easy nor in your favor, to attain commendations. Now, tie this into the requirement of running 1,000 instances. I've been playing FF14 since the beginning of this year and am just about to cross 400 instances ran. So, not only do you have to rack up 1,000 instances, which is already a really high standard for new mentors, you have to earn 1,500 commendations. I'm not home right now to see how many commendations I have but I guarantee I'm not even at 700 yet... Probably not even 600 either.

I would've agreed with 650 for commendations but again, the 1,000 instances is already a long venture that isn't something short like the Trade Mentor. If the argument is mentor ship is too easily achieved for "Burger King" / pedestal reasons, then PvE isn't the issue. It's already a long venture just getting the completed instances count alone and now the requirement is to get 1,500 commendations on top of it? I think that's overkill for PvE.

I strongly believe folks are misunderstanding how long it takes to complete the PvE requirements compared to a Trade Mentor.

Speaking only about the commendation requirements: they chose 1,500 because there’s an achievement for reaching 1,500 comms. The mentor system checks flags (e.g., flags for level 80 job quest completion, flags for 1,000 dungeons, etc.), and the flags are achievements earned.

Commendation achievements are: 10 > 100 > 300 > 500 > 1,500 > 3,000. 500 is still a bit too low, so the next threshold is 1,500. I’d wager it’s due to the coding of the system checking for achievements that made the developers choose 1,500 instead of a value like 700 or 1,000.

[linay]

Actually the OP has missed an important information and also gave no link to a source (here it is: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5e17f0fd585473 )

They are doing kind of a split between battle and trade mentors and without fulfilling the requirements for the battle mentor status / as a trade mentor you will no longer be able to queue into the mentor roulette.

Ooh, I like that change about the types of mentor.