New Mentor requirements

[Tint]

I think the commendation requirement is not too bad. Sure it has it's flaws, but it's a simple way to gate newer players from becoming a mentor, forcing them to invest a huge amount of time in wich they hopefully learn a lot about how the game and the jobs are played and, at least in theory, it is also a quality control, since commendations are meant to be given to players who actually played well.

[Barraind]

That is the thing if a player does not leave enough of an impact to warrant someone consciously giving them a commend then that just means in the groups eyes they were not worthy

Ehh, commendations are kinda useless. You cant give them to anyone you pre-form with, even if those are the "worthy" players, which means that if you mostly play dps, and mostly play with friends, you're probably waaaaaaaaay behind on them.

Additionally, theres people who will only give them to certain people; I have a friend that will only give them to dps, because "dps dont get many comms and they might as well have useless points too".


Tying them to anything except the stupid stuff they're already tied to (beyond maybe having like 50 of them to show you've done a few things with actual people) is pretty nonsense.

[SaitoHikari]

The only flaw I see in this (and it's a big one) is that commendations are incredibly subjective. In my particular case, it's likely based on the class I chose to main.

I'm currently sitting at around 5.1k comms, about 4k of them being earned in my last three years of maining Bard (the rest from my first year or so of being a White Mage main). However, I recall that I entered Stormblood with 3.5k comms, so the amount of comms I got dropped quite a lot even if I got better as a player overall. What happened? Bards were rare in Heavensward due to the whole bowmage thing, so I assume I got way more in Heavensward because I really stood out as a Bard player back then. Since Stormblood, it's not quite as obvious if a Bard is playing optimally, relative to other Bards.

It's likely a lot worse for other classes, who may be straight up taken for granted. It seems most of the people I know with ~1k comms or below that have been playing the game as long as, if not longer than I have tend to be Black Mage mains in particular.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Just me theory crafting but what if the raise from 300 commendations to 1,500 was to get people to play tanks and healers more? Because let's face it, as a DPS you're more than likely not to get commendations no matter how perfect your rotations are or how good your damage output is; it is what it is. I know when I was a BRD when I first started, I barely got any commendations and it wasn't until I started healing that I received commendations like it was my birthday every single duty. I think SE knows this and is trying to encourage people who main DPS and only DPS to try other roles as well. Having said that, there is an obvious flaw in this system because of course one could get commendations for just being the last person to leave an instance or for having on really good looking glam. Honestly, I don't really feel any particular way about this as all the other criteria is reasonable and easily obtainable. Just food for thought if you run solely DPS.

[Vnolan]

Just me theory crafting but what if the raise from 300 commendations to 1,500 was to get people to play tanks and healers more?

Probably.

If anyone needs comms, they have a few months to get them and they can just spam the Guildhest "Under the Armor", using a system like tanks comm healers, healers comm tanks and DPS comm each other. If the others in the party aren't farming comms and you're a tank or healer you'll have a higher chance of getting more than one per run.

To maximize your chance of getting comms during regular content, one thing you can do is not correct someone else's objectively poor gameplay (really shows how useful comms are).

[Bewhatever]

Probably.

If anyone needs comms, they have a few months to get them and they can just spam the Guildhest "Under the Armor", using a system like tanks comm healers, healers comm tanks and DPS comm each other. If the others in the party aren't farming comms and you're a tank or healer you'll have a higher chance of getting more than one per run.

To maximize your chance of getting comms during regular content, one thing you can do is not correct someone else's objectively poor gameplay (really shows how useful comms are).

This describes exploiting, not earning commendations. Collusion in giving commendations (by having a group of friends queue separately for a very fast instance with few other players) should result in a ban, not a mentor crown.

[Vnolan]

This describes exploiting, not earning commendations. Collusion in giving commendations (by having a group of friends queue separately for a very fast instance with few other players) should result in a ban, not a mentor crown.

I agree, but if SE isn't going to make any changes to the commendation system and leave it as exploitable and irrelevant (comming for glamour, race, etc.) as ever, I see no reason why those lacking the required number of comms shouldn't do it.

Someone earlier mentioned wanting to give commendations to multiple players in one instance, and personally I think that would help.

Would make them even more worthless. It's much more common to leave without comming (because none deserve it) than it is to want to be able to hand out multiple comms.

Commendations are the closest indicator we have in game that someone is willing to help others successfully - it is not without flaws for sure and some people can certainly cheat it if they have way too much time on their hands, but for the majority of people it should be a good indicator.

You can rack up comms without saying a single word in chat, with poor play if you roll as a tank or healer with noobs or if you roll as any job and get paired with a premade.

Comms shouldn't count for anything if they're to be handed out by a community that finds putting in a minimal amount of effort (AoE, healer dps when the party is topped off and no damage is going out, big pulls when the healer doesn't have to use GCD heals) to be toxic elitism.

[Awha]

Ehh, commendations are kinda useless. You cant give them to anyone you pre-form with, even if those are the "worthy" players, which means that if you mostly play dps, and mostly play with friends, you're probably waaaaaaaaay behind on them.

Additionally, theres people who will only give them to certain people; I have a friend that will only give them to dps, because "dps dont get many comms and they might as well have useless points too".


Tying them to anything except the stupid stuff they're already tied to (beyond maybe having like 50 of them to show you've done a few things with actual people) is pretty nonsense.

Yeah the current system is filled with biases, but that goes hand in hand with praise in general. What I am trying to the commendations serve as praise, if ones actions are not enough to sway people from them established norms what does it matter if the group does not commend you.

[Nedkel]

They should increase the duties done to 3000 or 2000.
But its still a good change, i dont have burger king crown on my own so whatever.

[LalaRu]

They should increase the duties done to 3000 or 2000.

There is not much need for it, because to get 1,500 comms it is very likely you done the 3,000 duties anyway. (and now waiting for the dude that replies he get 3 comms per duty every time...)

...(Again, also a barrier to entry for new players.)...

Working as intended. A sprout mentoring you? You kidding, right?