New Mentor requirements

[Noitems]

As someone who got my mentor crown incredibly easily, I have to disagree.
Commends shouldn't be part of it, but I honestly think that the dungeon requirement is far too easy. Becoming a mentor should require you to complete every dungeon/trail/raid in the game, as well as every extreme (synced) as well as +1,000 dungeons in order to get the crown.

I've always thought the Mentor requirements to enter the NN should be the same as Mentor rou to be honest. So much so I always forget they are different. Would make more sense having seasoned people be in the chat since they all know what they're talking about at a general level if not going into EX.

[PyurBlue]

As someone who got my mentor crown incredibly easily, I have to disagree.
Commends shouldn't be part of it, but I honestly think that the dungeon requirement is far too easy. Becoming a mentor should require you to complete every dungeon/trail/raid in the game, as well as every extreme (synced) as well as +1,000 dungeons in order to get the crown.

I don't see the benefit. Are you going to remember them all just because you've done them once? You don't need to know every piece of content in the game to teach someone basic rotations or common dungeon advice or etiquette. The point of the mentor system should be to allow the more experienced members of the playerbase to help newcomers, not to create an exclusive club.

[KHShadowrunner]

Commends shouldn't be part of it, but I honestly think that the dungeon requirement is far too easy. Becoming a mentor should require you to complete every dungeon/trail/raid in the game, as well as every extreme (synced) as well as +1,000 dungeons in order to get the crown.

I'll second this. Just looking at my achievements I see I breached the 1000 dungeon achievement back in 2017, almost 2 years ago. However Comms wise, I'm at 917. Ironically also hit the 500 req in 2017, so I have received 400ish comms in 2 years. Maybe I'm bad. Maybe not.

But here's the real struggle that I come to, it happened last week. Eden Prime normal, you know, small fry stuff. I get in an instance and do the usual greeting and socializing. At the end of the fight, There is a DPS who was rockin it. No mess ups, no accidents. Knew his stuff, and performed like I would hope the others imitated. At the same time, the others were struggling so much, the WHM and SCH were on fire keeping both them up, me up, and everything moving as they should. They were casting their spells, all in all a good trio out of the 8.

But I only get to give one comm. Who gets it? The DPS who stood out above the rest and showed them how to act? The WHM who bene'd at the right moment, who rescued the monk out of trouble? or the scholar who threw down shields for tank busters and did their rotation as they should? Three people deserve these comms, only one gets em.

Or maybe I'm just bad. Clearing savage content, learning how party finder groups do certain fights certain ways and teaching others how, but just not there. I dunno. I agree with the statement of Comms shouldn't even be a requirement if comms are not forced. People probably only do the 5 comms for the challenge log, and they vote anyone who remains because you know people are going to bail when that group gets the guy watching the cutscene at the end and are waiting until the last 30 seconds to roll greed on the weapon they dont need.

[HyoMinPark]

I disagree with increasing the commendation to 1,500. Say, someone is a DPS main. They enjoy being a DPS way more than healing and tanking, as required to maintain mentor ship status. It's generally not as easy nor in your favor, to attain commendations. Now, tie this into the requirement of running 1,000 instances. I've been playing FF14 since the beginning of this year and am just about to cross 400 instances ran. So, not only do you have to rack up 1,000 instances, which is already a really high standard for new mentors, you have to earn 1,500 commendations. I'm not home right now to see how many commendations I have but I guarantee I'm not even at 700 yet... Probably not even 600 either.

I would've agreed with 650 for commendations but again, the 1,000 instances is already a long venture that isn't something short like the Trade Mentor. If the argument is mentor ship is too easily achieved for "Burger King" / pedestal reasons, then PvE isn't the issue. It's already a long venture just getting the completed instances count alone and now the requirement is to get 1,500 commendations on top of it? I think that's overkill for PvE.

I strongly believe folks are misunderstanding how long it takes to complete the PvE requirements compared to a Trade Mentor.

Speaking only about the commendation requirements: they chose 1,500 because there’s an achievement for reaching 1,500 comms. The mentor system checks flags (e.g., flags for level 80 job quest completion, flags for 1,000 dungeons, etc.), and the flags are achievements earned.

Commendation achievements are: 10 > 100 > 300 > 500 > 1,500 > 3,000. 500 is still a bit too low, so the next threshold is 1,500. I’d wager it’s due to the coding of the system checking for achievements that made the developers choose 1,500 instead of a value like 700 or 1,000.

[linay]

Speaking only about the commendation requirements: they chose 1,500 because there’s an achievement for reaching 1,500 comms. The mentor system checks flags (e.g., flags for level 80 job quest completion, flags for 1,000 dungeons, etc.), and the flags are achievements earned.

Commendation achievements are: 10 > 100 > 300 > 500 > 1,500 > 3,000. 500 is still a bit too low, so the next threshold is 1,500. I’d wager it’s due to the coding of the system checking for achievements that made the developers choose 1,500 instead of a value like 700 or 1,000.

It's also the only semi-meaningful requirement. You can run 1000 instances of an easy duty (unsynced too, I think) and you can have tank/healer/DPS at 80 with help of job boost and deep dungeon/pvp/fate/beast tribe (or SMN/SCH). At least, with commendation, there's a chance it's because you've made someone else's experience better in a duty.

EDIT: I forgot about role quests completion, but those should still be easy enough to do.

[Rasikko]

I disagree with increasing the commendation to 1,500. Say, someone is a DPS main. They enjoy being a DPS way more than healing and tanking, as required to maintain mentor ship status. It's generally not as easy nor in your favor, to attain commendations. Now, tie this into the requirement of running 1,000 instances. I've been playing FF14 since the beginning of this year and am just about to cross 400 instances ran. So, not only do you have to rack up 1,000 instances, which is already a really high standard for new mentors, you have to earn 1,500 commendations. I'm not home right now to see how many commendations I have but I guarantee I'm not even at 700 yet... Probably not even 600 either.

I would've agreed with 650 for commendations but again, the 1,000 instances is already a long venture that isn't something short like the Trade Mentor. If the argument is mentor ship is too easily achieved for "Burger King" / pedestal reasons, then PvE isn't the issue. It's already a long venture just getting the completed instances count alone and now the requirement is to get 1,500 commendations on top of it? I think that's overkill for PvE.

I strongly believe folks are misunderstanding how long it takes to complete the PvE requirements compared to a Trade Mentor.

So you do on average 44.4 instances per month. This means you'll have 528 for a full year next year. This year isn't over yet though, so (44 x 3) + 400 = 532.
You'd need just all of 2020 to get 1000. (I dropped decimals)

By comparison, I have 3500 instances over 6yrs, which is 583 instances per year, 48.1 instances per month. Though I've ran way more, I still need about 2 yrs to get over 1,000. It seems obvious that SE has set this requirement based on an average.

There are people with way more, but it will rack up from doing a ton of raiding.

The one that will really function as a brick wall is the comms, unless you play tank/healer.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So you do on average 44.4 instances per month. This means you'll have 528 for a full year next year. This year isn't over yet though, so (44 x 3) + 400 = 532.
You'd need just all of 2020 to get 1000. (I dropped decimals)

By comparison, I have 3500 instances over 6yrs, which is 583 instances per year, 48.1 instances per month. Though I've ran way more, I still need about 2 yrs to get over 1,000. It seems obvious that SE has set this requirement based on an average.

There are people with way more, but it will rack up from doing a ton of raiding.

The one that will really function as a brick wall is the comms, unless you play tank/healer.

I'm close to 9000 instances completed since launch.

5ish 2.0 relics completed will do that.

[HyperiusUltima]

Of course you do not; however, a single chat that other sprouts are in and where questions can be answered while doing other things, is vastly easier than hanging around in the starting zones and watching PF looking for those parties. It's unarguably easier and convenient to assist folks in a single chat vs. going out looking for it.

Also, I didn't really like how the NN was on Mateus when I was a sprout but if you want to make a change for the better of something, be the change to start it.

Well, it’s hard to even begin change when people use it to joke a majority of a time in all Novice Networks. However, I do find that the Burger King Crown does need a change as plenty of people have said since I believe that toting around a crown(since the days of HW) is just showing off.

[PyurBlue]

I don't think the commendation requirement is very meaningful. Anyone can get any amount of comms given enough time, it's not really a gauge of quality. I worry that it just might serve as a roadblock to newer mentors. Being a mentor isn't required to help other players, but being in the NN makes it much easier to actually find people to help as well as to learn from.

[Novae]

SE has finally killed the Ifrit cheese mentor. That's great news.
But old cheesed mentors will still be able to use the NN? And use it as their own little LS?
That's disappointing to say the least.
Also, I like the idea of a new icon, we definitely need something less presumptuous.