New Mentor requirements

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Oh no, I'm 140 comms short.

Being a DPS is hard. :c

[linay]

The crown is probably there for new people to freely ask them. Maybe it should be changed to a book so people know they might have some knowledge to impart instead of a crown like they're better than you. (And no, I don't hate mentor, I used to be one in my old character, just think it's not living up to its potential.)

[Millybonk]

Gating the mentor status behind an arbitrary number of commendations is just plain stupid as long as it's not required to give a commendation at the end of an instance.

[Awha]

Gating the mentor status behind an arbitrary number of commendations is just plain stupid as long as it's not required to give a commendation at the end of an instance.

How so? If a person did not impress someone enough to feel they should be take the tme to commend someone why should they be forced to do so?

[Yamr3]

How so? If a person did not impress someone enough to feel they should be take the tme to commend someone why should they be forced to do so?

You can be the nicest person in the world, do everything absolutely right, give them every advice they could ask for and more; yet, they still don't have to nor are required to, give you a commendation.

[Hash_Browns]

How so? If a person did not impress someone enough to feel they should be take the tme to commend someone why should they be forced to do so?

Have you seen the thread on how people give out commendations? Usually people don't give it based on skills. They give it based on things like funny names, interactions, and glams. While I'm sure it's intended that the commend system be used to give a little ego boost to the person who did the best, it's certainly not being used that way.

[Awha]

Have you seen the thread on how people give out commendations? Usually people don't give it based on skills. They give it based on things like funny names, interactions, and glams. While I'm sure it's intended that the commend system be used to give a little ego boost to the person who did the best, it's certainly not being used that way.

That is the thing if a player does not leave enough of an impact to warrant someone consciously giving them a commend then that just means in the groups eyes they were not worthy. People sure have their own system in place, I mean for me personally I have maybe given out 100 or so commends during my time playing this game. All making it a requirement would do is further establish whatever person system players use to give commends. Which differs not much from what we have now just makes it so at the very least people could have a general idea of how long it may take if they get one commend per run.

At the very least the new commendation requirement puts some form of a barrier entry to become a mentor.

You can be the nicest person in the world, do everything absolutely right, give them every advice they could ask for and more; yet, they still don't have to nor are required to, give you a commendation.

If one does not get a commend it means the players actions were not noteworthy enough of a person to sway from their established norms when it came to giving them out. Is that really a problem? In the strictness sense of the word should praise ever be viewed as mandatory?

[Moonfish]

I think increasing the required commendation is a good move. That ensures said mentor has done a lot of group content and are more likely to understand whatever dungeon or raid a sprout may wonder about.

[Yamr3]

I disagree with increasing the commendation to 1,500. Say, someone is a DPS main. They enjoy being a DPS way more than healing and tanking, as required to maintain mentor ship status. It's generally not as easy nor in your favor, to attain commendations. Now, tie this into the requirement of running 1,000 instances. I've been playing FF14 since the beginning of this year and am just about to cross 400 instances ran. So, not only do you have to rack up 1,000 instances, which is already a really high standard for new mentors, you have to earn 1,500 commendations. I'm not home right now to see how many commendations I have but I guarantee I'm not even at 700 yet... Probably not even 600 either.

I would've agreed with 650 for commendations but again, the 1,000 instances is already a long venture that isn't something short like the Trade Mentor. If the argument is mentor ship is too easily achieved for "Burger King" / pedestal reasons, then PvE isn't the issue. It's already a long venture just getting the completed instances count alone and now the requirement is to get 1,500 commendations on top of it? I think that's overkill for PvE.

I strongly believe folks are misunderstanding how long it takes to complete the PvE requirements compared to a Trade Mentor.

[Hash_Browns]

I disagree with increasing the commendation to 1,500. Say, someone is a DPS main. They enjoy being a DPS way more than healing and tanking, as required to maintain mentor ship status. It's generally not as easy nor in your favor, to attain commendations. Now, tie this into the requirement of running 1,000 instances. I've been playing FF14 since the beginning of this year and am just about to cross 400 instances ran. So, not only do you have to rack up 1,000 instances, which is already a really high standard for new mentors, you have to earn 1,500 commendations. I'm not home right now to see how many commendations I have but I guarantee I'm not even at 700 yet... Probably not even 600 either.

I would've agreed with 650 for commendations but again, the 1,000 instances is already a long venture that isn't something short like the Trade Mentor. If the argument is mentor ship is too easily achieved for "Burger King" / pedestal reasons, then PvE isn't the issue. It's already a long venture just getting the completed instances count alone and now the requirement is to get 1,500 commendations on top of it? I think that's overkill for PvE.

Levels don't really matter at all in this game, because of how easy it is to obtain a level 80 class via roulettes, PotD, HoH, and jump potions. Dungeons seem to be the only thing a person actually has to work to achieve the status.

As it stands, mentors are seen as a joke because 1000 instances means ANY 1000 instances.

I strongly believe folks are misunderstanding how long it takes to complete the PvE requirements compared to a Trade Mentor.

As someone who got my mentor crown incredibly easily, I have to disagree.
Commends shouldn't be part of it, but I honestly think that the dungeon requirement is far too easy. Becoming a mentor should require you to complete every dungeon/trail/raid in the game, as well as every extreme (synced) as well as +1,000 dungeons in order to get the crown.