New Mentor requirements

[Galenini]

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*THE SUGGESTED LIST*

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I can agree with the sentiment of your post, however I'm scratching my head over the list above as it pertains to helping new players get started and returning players re-acclimatize. SE has set the maximum number of mentors at 100s logged into NN chat at any one time..... Mentors are allowed to specialize in areas of the game ........ and as a TEAM can help answer questions about the game. It seems a bit extreme, as well as unrealistic, to expect that any one mentor can answer every question posed. Mentors often help each other answer the same question.

I look at that list and my first response is, I don't think even Yoshi-P could accomplish all that. (Assuming he had time.)

When the mentor program started, SE was careful about making sure that the requirements DID show a level of commitment for that time, which included running a large number of dungeons (experience in dungeons), endgame level for healer, tank and dps (experience with the leveling system overall as well as role and class), and someone who appears helpful, courteous/friendly (commendations.) Feel free to argue what those 3 areas actually represent, I'm using that as an example.

The game has moved forward, endgame is now higher, hence the change to require mentors to once again have tank/healer/dps at endgame level. Moving the bar higher on dungeons has been suggested (which fits original intent), moving the bar higher on commendations also does, but the problem is that the measurement it represents has been distorted by actual use. You can also argue that dungeons run can/has been corrupted by unsynced dungeons runs (but I could argue back it still represents knowledge of dungeon/mechanics. Insert counter-counter argument on one-shotting mobs, by-passing mechanics.)

Handing the mentors a watering can icon, or pick an icon of any flavor, (your idea for information isn't bad, but the watering can is a great reminder to help sprouts/returning flowers to grow .. not just through information, but also, if they choose, through running dungeons with them, etcetera) I would HOPE would remove the implication of any sense of superiority, or whatever impression it has caused, to be removed.

In the early days, the first year of the mentor program, I ran with the crown on in case there were people who had questions, or wanted an NN invite; they knew I could answer/invite. I turned it off when I realized there was a perception that the crown was anything other than that. Having an identification icon in NN that says: this mentor specialized in PvP or Crafting is helpful for sprouts to understand how to view the answers they are getting. If there's a generic PvP question, having experienced it briefly, I can answer, but I always ask if there's a PvP mentor who'd like to provide more detailed information.

[Galenini]

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I think it's unrealistic to make mentors jump through excessive hoops just to be able to answer every question. NN provides a place for BOTH mentors and sprouts/returning players to offer information. It's a community. That's a community endeavor.

IF a mentor has had the time to accomplish all of those requirements listed above, fantastic! They have more experience than some other mentors. There are good mentors out there that can speak to large portions of the game and answer a huge swath of the questions that sprouts / returnings players have without having once stepped into a part of the game (Gold Saucer), or playing a specific part of Gold Saucer (Chocobo racing) that they do not like, or do not wish to play.

[Hash_Browns]

A true Mentor System would require of a person to do something, that normal players would never think about doing at free will, if they wouldn't intend on helping others later, requirements like:

- Have done every Dungeon up to the current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Raid up to current point at Minimum I Lvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Big Raid up to current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Participated in more than 50 PvP Battles
- Leveled All Classes to 80, including crafters n collectors, not just 1 per Role, ALL, how should you be competent as Mentor, if you can't answer a question, because you played something in the game never?
- Have beaten all Epic Trials n Raid Versions at Minimum I Lvl Requirement at least 10 times up to the current point of the game.
- Crafted at least 1 legendary Weapon of each generation up to the current point of existance
- Reached Eureka Level 40 Plus and fully explore Hydatos
- Reached Palace of the Dead Level 100 and Heaves on High Level 100 SOLO
- Breed a Rank 9 Chocobo in Gold Saucer and participate in at least 50 Vermillion Matches against other Players


Becoming a Mentor should be a commitment, something that requires of a player truly effort, skill and knowledge in all parts n segments of the game, without being dependend on the mood and liking of random other players

Ahh, yes. I agree - all mentors should be required to do a million dungeons, and max all classes. How else am I going to teach a new players what a combo is, or how to limitbreak!? I'm sure that Rank 9 Chocobo & Verminion requirements are necessary requirement as well, given mentors have nothing to do with the Gold Saucer at all.

I'm sure so many people are willing to put years of work into helping people with the very basics of the game, and the mentor chat wouldn't be empty at all with these requirements.

I feel like this is easy bait though.

[ErryK]

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Lol, what? Almost none of these actually are necessary to teach people or answer their general questions like 'Where do I buy gear for Lv70?' or 'At what level do I unlock my Chocobo?' I think you said it yourself perfectly.

The whole mentor system here is just ridiculous as same as much meaningless crap with absolutely no weight behind it.

[Halivel]

When Suzaku Ex came out one of our PF healers didn't know about heal LB3 :/

I weirdly had Sprout 2nd Tank on Seiryu Ex when it was releazed (which I can't comprehend tbh. Shouldn't you lose sprout status earlier than this?) so I am not even really surprised.

[TalithaSolarien]

I weirdly had Sprout 2nd Tank on Seiryu Ex when it was releazed (which I can't comprehend tbh. Shouldn't you lose sprout status earlier than this?) so I am not even really surprised.

Sprout status is also linked to a certain amount of playtime. If you rushed through the story it was easy to reach Stormblood and still have the sprout. I've seen quite a few players doing that, esp. on alts.

[Halivel]

Sprout status is also linked to a certain amount of playtime. If you rushed through the story it was easy to reach Stormblood and still have the sprout. I've seen quite a few players doing that, esp. on alts.

I remember there was a thing like "if you reach an X point in the MSQ you lose Sprout status" earlier. They removed it?

[Kimstar]

Yeah well so once again, the Mentor isn't hard to get, just tedious and time consuming, because you're basically put between a rock and a hard place. If you're DPS main you have to switch over to Tank/Heal to even have a chance at getting comms. Mentor status needs a serious rework from the ground up to be valuable.

[Ksenia]

Stop kicking sprouts based on some arbitrary milestone. Very few Sprouts who get booted wanted to leave Nov channel and there was even a guy on Exodus who made linkshells for outcast sprouts. It didn't work out simply because they weren't official and it got messy with people coming and going but the long and the short, if a sprout wants to stay, until we see sprout numbers reaching remotely close to cap (not happening, never has) it's not an issue.


So much attention placed on Mentor. The channel wasn't set up for Mentors, it was set up for Sprouts.

[SturmChurro]

I skimmed through the past few pages. Like I said in my post before, a high level mentor would be useless. Novice Network is definitely not the place to be asking about savage raiding, or high tier PvE advice. For one, it would require too much chat, and would also probably require hands on experience, or visual guides (videos). This tier of difficulty is even difficult to guide players in PUGS, and still would require voice (discord) most optimally, and what I listed before. Purely In-game means of teaching is inefficient.