New Mentor requirements

[hynaku]

I know in less than year playing as a healer got another 1000 comms on top of the 4000+ already had. Notice when tank if there 4 in party get maybe one but when play as healer get 3 to 4 comms each time when in party on 4. tells me needs fixed like needs fix where if in premade party can't give any to other members. Took me years of playing a dps to get 3000 comms. I hear most give them just based on persons glamour.

[Halivel]

I know in less than year playing as a healer got another 1000 comms on top of the 4000+ already had. Notice when tank if there 4 in party get maybe one but when play as healer get 3 to 4 comms each time when in party on 4. tells me needs fixed like needs fix where if in premade party can't give any to other members. Took me years of playing a dps to get 3000 comms. I hear most give them just based on persons glamour.

Well... and still it's not a system's fault, it's people and the fact they used in a way it wasn't really supposed to be used. Healer's job is the most noticeable so unless you were absolutely horrible at it people will tend to commend you. Or, as you said, will use random criteria such as glamours or something else (which actually is more common as I experienced).

[Shougun]

I've gotten plenty as bard so far as well.

Lol :P

On the whole should we change commendations thing, I think we could improve some things if we wanted but I believe the general system is good enough not to remove (I tend to think it's cute and like it, even if sometimes I wish I could comm everyone or something). I think it has a vague correlation that it "gets the job... kinda.. sort of.. done" for SE (and doesn't require developing anything new). Though I still feel like a hall of intermediate / expert (/mage tower/solo arena/personal tests) would have better value in doing what is intended than really making high commendation, dungeon counts, or level requirements.

[SturmChurro]

Last time I played, I was getting more commendations playing on my DPS than my tank/heal. Really arbitrary.

[HyperiusUltima]

Commendations should stay as they always have been before: Votes for whatever reason at the end of the dungeon that have no value whatsoever. By making Commendations for Mentor be 1500+, you wind up giving it a lot of value just for that achievement alone when in fact it's very difficult to even get commendations unless you're playing Healer or Tank. How should we replace it? I've had a few ideas but none of them fit the requirement or are too difficult for players to achieve realistically.

[Kaiserdrache]

The whole mentor system here is just ridiculous as same as much meaningless crap with absolutely no weight behind it.

All it does say about a player is, that he/she has eventually played the game more than you, but absolutely nothing at all about the competence of a player in general.
One player can have like 5k commendations and be at the same time a total tank noob, because that player plays tank eventually only for story, but otherwise never plays them and grinded like 95% of that sum with a Healer MC >_>

Changin the crown to a Water Can will change NOTHING, so stop this BS, all it will change is that people will change to the next crown that comes close to it, the Sword Crown, it won't change the mentality of people, players don't become different only because SE changed an Icon, that's laughable. Instead of changing the crown to the likings of a minority should SE rather simply add a new Icon, which clearly shows others, that the person using it is helpful and actually wants to answer questions, something simple and not prestigious looking, like for example a classic information l-Icon that show people, ah this player is willing to answer my questions, he/she's like a walking information point.

This way both sides are happy, those that want to have just some kind of prestige icon as sign of being a FF14 veteran that literally fulfills all mentor requirements.
And those, who want to help new players and want them to recognize you too as Mentors helping them out


Howewer the way how this game handles commendations is absolutely terrible and counterproductive.
Commendations should give absolutely NO REWARDS, because the moment any rewards a part of the system, do people freak out, become corrupt and try just to manipulate and abuse the system whereever whenever possible just to get quicker the rewards.
When rewards are linked to the system, people care lesser about helping others and more about attention whoring, just so they might get eventually more commendations later, not to mention anyways that people begin also just to give commendations careless, just to get reward by a bigger exp boost every week, not caring or looking for it if the commended players were actually skillful, but most of the times given to people, just because we like the name or look of a character.
Something so distracted like this shouldn't decide over it, if players can become Mentors


A true Mentor System would require of a person to do something, that normal players would never think about doing at free will, if they wouldn't intend on helping others later, requirements like:

- Have done every Dungeon up to the current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Raid up to current point at Minimum I Lvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Big Raid up to current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Participated in more than 50 PvP Battles
- Leveled All Classes to 80, including crafters n collectors, not just 1 per Role, ALL, how should you be competent as Mentor, if you can't answer a question, because you played something in the game never?
- Have beaten all Epic Trials n Raid Versions at Minimum I Lvl Requirement at least 10 times up to the current point of the game.
- Crafted at least 1 legendary Weapon of each generation up to the current point of existance
- Reached Eureka Level 40 Plus and fully explore Hydatos
- Reached Palace of the Dead Level 100 and Heaves on High Level 100 SOLO
- Breed a Rank 9 Chocobo in Gold Saucer and participate in at least 50 Vermillion Matches against other Players


Becoming a Mentor should be a commitment, something that requires of a player truly effort, skill and knowledge in all parts n segments of the game, without being dependend on the mood and liking of random other players

[HyperiusUltima]

A true Mentor System would require of a person to do something, that normal players would never think about doing at free will, if they wouldn't intend on helping others later, requirements like:

- Have done every Dungeon up to the current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Raid up to current point at Minimum I Lvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Have done every Big Raid up to current point at Minimum ILvl Requirement more than 50 times
- Participated in more than 50 PvP Battles
- Leveled All Classes to 80, including crafters n collectors, not just 1 per Role, ALL, how should you be competent as Mentor, if you can't answer a question, because you played something in the game never?
- Have beaten all Epic Trials n Raid Versions at Minimum I Lvl Requirement at least 10 times up to the current point of the game.
- Crafted at least 1 legendary Weapon of each generation up to the current point of existance
- Reached Eureka Level 40 Plus and fully explore Hydatos
- Reached Palace of the Dead Level 100 and Heaves on High Level 100 SOLO
- Breed a Rank 9 Chocobo in Gold Saucer and participate in at least 50 Vermillion Matches against other Players


Becoming a Mentor should be a commitment, something that requires of a player truly effort, skill and knowledge in all parts n segments of the game, without being dependend on the mood and liking of random other players

I'm sorry, but you're being WAAAAY too restrictive with just Mentor requirements. Doing something like that is more of a crown than anything. To be real with you, you shouldn't have to force people to become an Eorzeapedia just because Mentorship should be more restrictive; I want to say that the way Mentorship is currently separated by Trade Mentoros and Combat Mentors is fine. It allows diversity in the Mentor system, regardless of whether you want a Crafter or not instead of putting it under one giant banner that more or less focuses on Hardcore peeps. Generally I wouldn't mind if Raid Tier participation in Savage mode could potentially give Mentor, but then that'd be too easy to do or too hard to enter for most people, which is why SE defaulted to Commendations.

SE themselves needs to find a solution to the problem unless somebody here has a good idea to be discussed in regards to balancing the 1000 dungeons, Lv 80 on Tank/Healer/DPS, and 1 more that isn't Commendations.

[Galenini]

I'm sorry, but you're being WAAAAY too restrictive with just Mentor requirements. Doing something like that is more of a crown than anything. To be real with you, you shouldn't have to force people to become an Eorzeapedia just because Mentorship should be more restrictive; I want to say that the way Mentorship is currently separated by Trade Mentoros and Combat Mentors is fine. It allows diversity in the Mentor system, regardless of whether you want a Crafter or not instead of putting it under one giant banner that more or less focuses on Hardcore peeps. Generally I wouldn't mind if Raid Tier participation in Savage mode could potentially give Mentor, but then that'd be too easy to do or too hard to enter for most people, which is why SE defaulted to Commendations.

SE themselves needs to find a solution to the problem unless somebody here has a good idea to be discussed in regards to balancing the 1000 dungeons, Lv 80 on Tank/Healer/DPS, and 1 more that isn't Commendations.

Totally agree.

I wish there was some way to hand out "commendations" in Mentor chat, for this person was helpful (classic please answer our survey on the service we provided.) Might weed out those that never answer. But I can't think of a way to do that without it being abused.

What SE is looking for is: was this person helpful / skilled / friendly enough to become a mentor helping others.

Commendations don't specifically measure that anymore.

Unless they add a new category that is just designated for : I like how this person glamoured / other.

And let you have the option to hand out one of each in every dungeon.

I know there's something wrong with that.

Also: look at the reward for handing out 5 commendations per week. That's also part of the problem.


And so many times, the person I want to give the commendation to has quickly left the instance and I've missed my opportunity. Therefore, I hand none out, because I won't give them out arbitrarily.

Needs an overhaul. And if I had an answer, boy would I post it for people to take pot shots at (to test it.)

[Vnolan]

Needs an overhaul. And if I had an answer, boy would I post it for people to take pot shots at (to test it.)

There isn't one. The mentor system is there to have basic questions answered while saving SE money (no need to add various tutorials) and the roulette is there to fill queues. If mentors are able to provide advice about rotations, answer more difficult questions or are able to comfortably complete all of the duties in the roulette, that's a bonus.

Having stricter requirements will add actual prestige to the icon and will have fewer bodies that can be pulled for the roulette.

Has anyone stopped to ask why mentors need to be more skilled or knowledgeable other than to have something else that can separate players based on skill level?

[Galenini]

There isn't one. The mentor system is there to have basic questions answered while saving SE money (no need to add various tutorials) and the roulette is there to fill queues. If mentors are able to provide advice about rotations, answer more difficult questions or are able to comfortably complete all of the duties in the roulette, that's a bonus.

Having stricter requirements will add actual prestige to the icon and will have fewer bodies that can be pulled for the roulette.

Has anyone stopped to ask why mentors need to be more skilled or knowledgeable other than to have something else that can separate players based on skill level?

And this is where having 2 different mentor channels might be useful.

One for beginning game / returning players (with current requirements, including the lower / adequate commendations.)

And one for endgame (with stricter / higher requirements.)


I personally don't care about prestige or the roulette and am happy to help new and returning players.

There are others that obviously care about the roulette and may/may not care about prestige.

There are those who care about endgame.


- thinks out loud and considers those previous suggestions for two different channels.