New Mentor requirements

[Hash_Browns]

Imo Mentor Requiriments still easy, it should be at least:

- PVE Mentor: all combat jobs at Lv80 + 3000 Commendations + All Extreme and Savage Cleared.

- Craft/Gather Mentor: All Craft/Gathering Jobs at Lv80 + 5000 Collectables + All Master Recipes/Folklore + All Job Quests and NPCs deliveries done ( including Crystallium ).

- PVP Mentor: 1000 Frontline + 1000 Feast + 1000 Rival Wings.

Most of Mentors in this game are useless and know nothing about what mentoring they stand for, over 90% people just become Mentors to use Novice Network ( where 5 out 100 Mentors interact with people there, talking, socializing and answering questions, while the another 95 not even say "Hi" when Log in and loves to kick random people for nonsense and trivial reasons ) or because the Crown is "cute" to use at your nick name.

Woah, woah, settle down there. no need to add savage clears to this. EX clears are fine though.

[LalaRu]

...All Extreme and Savage Cleared...

Savage have nothing to share with mentoring new players, while extremes are already included because required for mentor roulette.
I agree on set up specific requirements for PvP mentoring, 'tho.

[RoyalBeef]

while extremes are already included because required for mentor roulette.

That kinda explains the horrible experiences I had with mentors joining Ex parties. Yes no, don't funnel them into savage please

[MsQi]

Most of Mentors in this game are useless and know nothing about what mentoring they stand for, over 90% people just become Mentors to use Novice Network ( where 5 out 100 Mentors interact with people there, talking, socializing and answering questions, while the another 95 not even say "Hi" when Log in and loves to kick random people for nonsense and trivial reasons ) or because the Crown is "cute" to use at your nick name.

Explain to me how your requirements help solve this problem.

[RyuSaarva]

Imo Mentor Requiriments still easy, it should be at least:

- PVE Mentor: all combat jobs at Lv80 + 3000 Commendations + All Extreme and Savage Cleared.

- Craft/Gather Mentor: All Craft/Gathering Jobs at Lv80 + 5000 Collectables + All Master Recipes/Folklore + All Job Quests and NPCs deliveries done ( including Crystallium ).

- PVP Mentor: 1000 Frontline + 1000 Feast + 1000 Rival Wings.

Most of Mentors in this game are useless and know nothing about what mentoring they stand for, over 90% people just become Mentors to use Novice Network ( where 5 out 100 Mentors interact with people there, talking, socializing and answering questions, while the another 95 not even say "Hi" when Log in and loves to kick random people for nonsense and trivial reasons ) or because the Crown is "cute" to use at your nick name.

so you want 5 people to be in novice chat and there is a high chance that they don't actually want to even help anyone.

[Buzzwords]

so you want 5 people to be in novice chat and there is a high chance that they don't actually want to even help anyone.

i'd be cool with that.

i've been a mentor, active in my servers NN for a few years... most of my fellow mentors are worthless. some are actively bad. as in; new players would be BETTER players WITHOUT their advice.

most of my time spent mentoring is having to COUNTER bad advice. yes gear does in fact matter. yes healers DO deal damage. no rampart/lustrate/whatever else is not "just for an emergency" and god don't even get me started on tank stance and diversion back when those were things...

at least the 5 people would be qualified, and silence is preferable to a bad player giving bad advice to justify their own bad habits.


this doesn't even touch on the handful of wierdos that are only in the novice network to get a "captive audience" so they can spew the same inane drivel that ensures they have no friends AT some people. and it's like you WANNA just blacklist them but sometimes they're outright abusive or obscene and you have to see them to kick them, or at least to /tell the new guy "sorry about him, we can't get rid of him. the NN is fucked."

[RyuSaarva]

i'd be cool with that.

i've been a mentor, active in my servers NN for a few years... most of my fellow mentors are worthless. some are actively bad. as in; new players would be BETTER players WITHOUT their advice.

most of my time spent mentoring is having to COUNTER bad advice. yes gear does in fact matter. yes healers DO deal damage. no rampart/lustrate/whatever else is not "just for an emergency" and god don't even get me started on tank stance and diversion back when those were things...

at least the 5 people would be qualified, and silence is preferable to a bad player giving bad advice to justify their own bad habits.


this doesn't even touch on the handful of wierdos that are only in the novice network to get a "captive audience" so they can spew the same inane drivel that ensures they have no friends AT some people. and it's like you WANNA just blacklist them but sometimes they're outright abusive or obscene and you have to see them to kick them, or at least to /tell the new guy "sorry about him, we can't get rid of him. the NN is fucked."

sounds like a problem that is only on your server.

[Buzzwords]

sounds like a problem that is only on your server.

i guess i couldn't really say, i only ever play on the one server.

but my memory of here and reddit involves a lot more "mentors suck" threads than "mentors are so great" threads so i feel like it's PROBABLY not just my server?

i guess confirmation bias is a thing and nobody goes on yelp to rave about a pretty good meal but you know what i'm saying. mines rough, and the general tone of the internet is that they all suck.

[Saintly]

Imo Mentor Requiriments still easy, it should be at least:

- PVE Mentor: all combat jobs at Lv80 + 3000 Commendations + All Extreme and Savage Cleared.

- Craft/Gather Mentor: All Craft/Gathering Jobs at Lv80 + 5000 Collectables + All Master Recipes/Folklore + All Job Quests and NPCs deliveries done ( including Crystallium ).

- PVP Mentor: 1000 Frontline + 1000 Feast + 1000 Rival Wings.

Most of Mentors in this game are useless and know nothing about what mentoring they stand for, over 90% people just become Mentors to use Novice Network ( where 5 out 100 Mentors interact with people there, talking, socializing and answering questions, while the another 95 not even say "Hi" when Log in and loves to kick random people for nonsense and trivial reasons ) or because the Crown is "cute" to use at your nick name.

Even tho i agree with you in general i think you might want to adjust some numbers to find a middle ground that does not let every and his mother be mentor like now, but have enough mentors so that at least a couple of mentors are available most of the time.

Some suggestion's i'd make are:

PvE: Replace savage with "Clear all EX thru DF solo/synced."

Crafting: Seems a bit much for the current system, yet we should wait and see how much they gonna ruin/casuallise crafting/gathering on 5.1.

PvP: I think that's downright extreme and is affected to the extreme by the DC you play on.
I'd suggest giving mentor status to top XX Feast players for the rest of the season.

Yes, win-trading/buying is a thing but the top places are usually legit good players.

[Angellos]

My personal take on this:

One year ago I lost my old account. This was not due to behavior, it was due to a change in country: And due to SE having outsourced their security, my account kept getting flagged for RMT because I was having to use PayPal to add Crysta to my account, to pay for my subscription. Every time that I had to add crysta, my account would be temporarily banned from use because it was flagged for potential RMT. (I was adding money from a country NOT my country of origin on the account.) After being told by a GM that if I kept using a VPN to bypass the account restriction I'd be permanently banned, I decided to just buy an NA account and start all over. (Goodbye, 3 years of work, my house and my omni gatherer/crafter.

Anyway. I've had to bust my hind end to try and get to mentor status on this new account. I had to start fresh. Zero comms. I'm an experienced player who loves to explain fights, help new players, etc etc. The crown lets people know that I've been around a while, I know my stuff. Well, I'm very nearly there: And then! New requirements: 1k commendations. Sometimes, I can be the only reason a group survives, tank flawlessly, save the day as the healer, be the kindest person there and still get zero commendations - just because giving commendations is optional and people usually just want to leave without clicking a button.

I've reached the 300 comms requirement - after a YEAR of playing. (MInd you, I didn't do a TON of dungeons like I did on my old account.)

So I guess here's to 2-3 more years before I"ll get mentor. (And then they'll increase it to 2,000+ comms.)

This really just made me not want to care anymore and just to keep to myself rather than continuing to go the extra mile all of the time. It was nice to be rewarded for my hard work and dedication: Now I feel like I'm being punished by an arbitrary, optional, commendation system.

The Mentors who have been Mentors for years now also already have the 1,000 commendations. You're not going to fix the 'problem' Mentors by increasing the commendation requirement. You're only making it harder, MUCH harder for players who haven't been around 5+ years.