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    This madness needs to stop. Isn't enough that you hardly have to put in any effort to get AF? It's sought after because it is rare.. deal with it suck it up and try again! Or god forbid you try for some double melds. Good gear does not make better players....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos View Post
    This madness needs to stop. Isn't enough that you hardly have to put in any effort to get AF? It's sought after because it is rare.. deal with it suck it up and try again! Or god forbid you try for some double melds. Good gear does not make better players....

    Well I actually do have double melded gear for some things and yeah the AF was a bit of a joke and due to it's ease was almost a PITA to do but we aren't talking about AF now are we? Nope better gear doesn't make you a better player either ... amazing input btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos View Post
    It's sought after because it is rare.. deal with it suck it up and try again!
    We are trying again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again... Our current streak is well over 200 boss chests opened with no drop. If this were just 1 drop, like a Defending Ring, that may be fine. But it's not. It's 31 drops (assuming unrealistic perfect drop efficiency) to get 1 set per person for an 8 person raiding group (also unrealistic, since almost all of us use more than 8 in total).

    There's a limit to how many fruitless farm clears of this content people are going to be willing to do. It isn't reasonable to ask people to clear a dungeon they've already mastered hundreds upon hundreds of times. No game does that except this one. I and anyone else complaining are more than willing to put in much effort, as we already do, but there needs to be slightly more reward to keep people's interest long term. Not hand outs, just put the carrot on a slightly shorter stick so we can actually see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    We are trying again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again... Our current streak is well over 200 boss chests opened with no drop. If this were just 1 drop, like a Defending Ring, that may be fine. But it's not. It's 31 drops (assuming unrealistic perfect drop efficiency) to get 1 set per person for an 8 person raiding group (also unrealistic, since almost all of us use more than 8 in total).

    There's a limit to how many fruitless farm clears of this content people are going to be willing to do. It isn't reasonable to ask people to clear a dungeon they've already mastered hundreds upon hundreds of times. No game does that except this one. I and anyone else complaining are more than willing to put in much effort, as we already do, but there needs to be slightly more reward to keep people's interest long term. Not hand outs, just put the carrot on a slightly shorter stick so we can actually see it.
    This exactly! ^ Or like I said give us something USEFUL from the run; gives us that nice pat on the back feeling rather than getting slapped in the face. Please for the love of the Twelve, stop giving us Grade 5 Dark MATTER! ty
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos View Post
    This madness needs to stop. Isn't enough that you hardly have to put in any effort to get AF? It's sought after because it is rare.. deal with it suck it up and try again! Or god forbid you try for some double melds. Good gear does not make better players....
    We were the first server kill on CC, and first server 5 chest run on both CC and MM (or really, any content or challenge so far), so I'd think we are decent players. And it is not because good gear, though I do have double meld for anything you possible need (30+ for all jobs) and 6 triple melds, and there there are some people with better equips in LS.

    I personally haven't got any DL, and I only would use 4-5 of them over my current gear (DD bodies, eye patch, tank glove, maybe mage shoes) out of all pieces anyway. That doesn't mean it's fun to run 8-10 5 chest runs everyday and not getting that useful.

    I'd rather them have a reentry timer like once a day and better drop rate to keep it rare, than waste time like that.
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    Last edited by Ragz; 03-29-2012 at 11:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    There's no way we can keep people excited to raid every night for the next few months when there is a high probability that an entire night of full 5 chest clears will yield 0 good drops for anyone. Higher drop rates or a token system that lets us make steady progress would go a long way in keeping us motivated to run this content for longer.

    While I understand the need to prevent people from being done with the content too fast and losing interest, the current system will instead make people lose interest long before they get the drops. I hope that 1.21a will address this, and I hope that future loot is handled better. Gear rewards should not be about "getting lucky", or players will feel cheated for their efforts.
    Idk I agree with this. I haven't gotten a single drop ...ok sorry let me rephrase that, I have ONLY gotten one token from Ifrit otherwise all else is a bust. I'm really only interested in doing Moogle because I should but really don't want to because the drop rate is ALSO atrocious. And I've done close to 100 runs on Ifrit. So a SMALL adjustment or another idea to alleviate the pain would be great.

    Edit: No I don't want it handed to me either just a little love occasionally and even if it's not DL gear but something else nice and USEFUL that would be great as well.
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    No one here has done Salvage have they? Try 300-400 runs to obtain a lv35 piece...rofl. Oh and having to get imperial standing to go...then only being able to once a day 3 times a week!

    Darklight is not nearly so bad. If you don't like the drop rate you don't have to keep doing the instance. They will eventually release better gear anyway. I hope they make it more difficult to obtain and rarer! <3 I don't get the whole..let's hurry up and get gear so we can stand in town and be bored mentality....
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    Last edited by Babydoll; 03-29-2012 at 01:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babydoll View Post
    No one here has done Salvage have they? Try 300-400 runs to obtain a lv15 piece...rofl. Oh and having to get imperial standing to go...then only being able to once a day 3 times a week!

    Darklight is not nearly so bad. If you don't like the drop rate you don't have to keep doing the instance. They will eventually release better gear anyway. I hope they make it more difficult to obtain and rarer! <3 I don't get the whole..let's hurry up and get gear so we can stand in town and be bored mentality....
    Nice exaggeration. I can't think of a single piece that takes "300-400" times for a level 15 drop. Unless your group was horrible and you couldn't get past the first floor, no way it would take that many runs, not even 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApplePie View Post
    Nice exaggeration. I can't think of a single piece that takes "300-400" times for a level 15 drop. Unless your group was horrible and you couldn't get past the first floor, no way it would take that many runs, not even 10.
    My boyfriends did! Sorry no exaggeration~ Took him over 1 and a half year of doing full runs! <3 For Usukane bodyyyy nom nom oh also his "group" was not gimp by any means...lot of people knew Khai on Lakshmi, had an elite LS! ^___^
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    Last edited by Babydoll; 03-29-2012 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApplePie View Post
    Nice exaggeration. I can't think of a single piece that takes "300-400" times for a level 15 drop. Unless your group was horrible and you couldn't get past the first floor, no way it would take that many runs, not even 10.
    I just noticed LOL it was the 35 piece >.>;
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