Please fix/tokenize Darklight drops

[Haledos]

I agree with the above, i'd much rather it was made harder and the droprate was increased.
I'm fed up of MMO's nowadays that instantly reward you every step of the way, it loses the majesty and wonder of pondering what you might get from this drop or this chest. You feel great if something you want drops, and if it doesn't - try again tomorrow!

God damn WoW with its tokens are obliterating MMOs : (

[Duelle]

I'm fed up of MMO's nowadays that instantly reward you every step of the way, it loses the majesty and wonder of pondering what you might get from this drop or this chest. You feel great if something you want drops, and if it doesn't - try again tomorrow!

So you'd rather play to and encourage the gambler's fallacy instead of allowing for working your way towards something... No thanks.

God damn WoW with its tokens are obliterating MMOs

Yeah, yeah. WoW is also the source of cancer, AIDS, is slowly killing polar bears and is the cause of global warming.

[Enfarious]

So you'd rather play to and encourage the gambler's fallacy instead of allowing for working your way towards something... No thanks.
Yeah, yeah. WoW is also the source of cancer, AIDS, is slowly killing polar bears and is the cause of global warming.

You left out nuclear war, cockroach infestation, and general malaise in the world, not to mention malnutrition and starvation. . . . .

Seriously WoW did usher in a new way of playing MMOs, it was called "Accessible to everyone." MMOs prior to WoW did not encourage casual players to come join, did not use celebrities to advertise for the kiddy pool. It worked for WoW most SE fans aren't from the kiddy pool. Edit: or at least most of them didn't used to be ...

On topic, really 200 kills nothing but dark matter ... that's just not right a point/token system would at least give everyone something to look forward to, fuck gimme 1 point/win and make a weapon cost 25 points, least I'd get something eventually and not just wanna put the kbd thru my tv everytime I see 5 pieces of grade 5 dark matter.
I of course exaggerate but I'm sure someone out there is going thru this or has quit already because of it.

[Duelle]

Seriously WoW did usher in a new way of playing MMOs, it was called "Accessible to everyone." MMOs prior to WoW did not encourage casual players to come join, did not use celebrities to advertise for the kiddy pool. It worked for WoW most SE fans aren't from the kiddy pool. Edit: or at least most of them didn't used to be...

I wouldn't call working dads, technologically-impaired aunts and retired grandpas the kiddy pool, but okay. Though there was a lot of untapped potential (the "Betty White playing a warlock, mercilessly killing people in PvP while saying 'eat my DoTs, noob'" super bowl commercial that was proposed by the fans before that terrible commercial with Chuck Norris aired, for one...).

On topic, really 200 kills nothing but dark matter ... that's just not right a point/token system would at least give everyone something to look forward to, fuck gimme 1 point/win and make a weapon cost 25 points, least I'd get something eventually and not just wanna put the kbd thru my tv everytime I see 5 pieces of grade 5 dark matter.
I of course exaggerate but I'm sure someone out there is going thru this or has quit already because of it.

I don't think anyone would disagree with this, though I also like having a larger selection of goods purchased through points/badges/totems to encourage repeated runs.

[Enfarious]

I wouldn't call working dads, technologically-impaired aunts and retired grandpas the kiddy pool, but okay. Though there was a lot of untapped potential (the "Betty White playing a warlock, mercilessly killing people in PvP while saying 'eat my DoTs, noob'" super bowl commercial that was proposed by the fans before that terrible commercial with Chuck Norris aired, for one...).
I don't think anyone would disagree with this, though I also like having a larger selection of goods purchased through points/badges/totems to encourage repeated runs.

Ok I didn't mean to discount the non-kiddy pool players, but you have to admit, WoW was accessible to 10 year olds, the design was made for it, and they even went so far as to make servers just for the kiddy pool players. I wouldn't ever say that there aren't plenty of adults playing, I'm one of them, and so are all the friends I have that game. I would say that WoW began a trend, it was hook-em-young and most other games have destroyed themselves by trying to follow that path. Look at all the crazy successful WoW clones out there. I just don't want to see FF end up that watered down to cater to an even younger crowd.
Se has always managed to have complexity/strategy involved I don't want to see that go away.

Yeah getting a totem a win and a everything costing 20+ totems to buy, depending on the gear so that at least we'd see something returned. Hell even @50 totems a weapon from the primals at least I'd have a weapon guaranteed so long as I keep putting in the wins.

[SynysterBlitz]

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[Zenaku]

If they allow you to get it so easy then people would get bored don't you understand this?

Oh look i got all gear within 1month ok guys i'm going to stop playing to next patch see you then then all your member who still need items can't get it because the first party got it and most people wont really help others when they got there full set.

[Bocajo]

If they allow you to get it so easy then people would get bored don't you understand this?

Oh look i got all gear within 1month ok guys i'm going to stop playing to next patch see you then then all your member who still need items can't get it because the first party got it and most people wont really help others when they got there full set.

Well, in your situation people resume playing in the next patch. I think the argument is that with the current situation many will leave, and not resume playing at all. I honestly wouldn't mind a cycle of completing content, and taking a break until patches until 2.0 (at which point content should be to a point to keep players occupied between patches). Yoshi-P said this was meant to be consumable content, but he wont let us consume it!

[Zenaku]

Well, in your situation people resume playing in the next patch. I think the argument is that with the current situation many will leave, and not resume playing at all. I honestly wouldn't mind a cycle of completing content, and taking a break until patches until 2.0 (at which point content should be to a point to keep players occupied between patches). Yoshi-P said this was meant to be consumable content, but he wont let us consume it!

In FFXI i did endgame for months hoping to get one item and keep playing because there was so much to do. Maybe if the dungeon was more fun and they was more stuff to do in your free time in the game it wont be that bad and boring it's only the start ffxi was just like this just have to give it time.

[Enfarious]

If they allow you to get it so easy then people would get bored don't you understand this?

Oh look i got all gear within 1month ok guys i'm going to stop playing to next patch see you then then all your member who still need items can't get it because the first party got it and most people wont really help others when they got there full set.

That's one extreme that leads to boredom, the other being that with a 0.0001% chance of getting a single piece and only having that one chance per run gets frustrating to the point of wanting to just not bother.
Balance: 1 hr run, mobs with increased deffuculty @0.1%(1 in 1000) drop rate, added NMs @1.0%(1 in 100) drop rate, Boss @5%(1 in 20).
No balance A: 1hr to run, no farming, one boss drops 1 item @0.01%(1 in 10000 chance of one "item" for 8 ppl to get full gear could take up to 8*5*10000=400,000 runs);
No balance B: 1hr to run, farming weak mobs @10% drop rate, added NMs @50% drop rate, Boss @90%;

Got to find the balance, keep players in a place where they "know" they can get a drop if they take a little extra time.
The SR5C idea is just stupid, and anyone that argues that content is too short should agree that "get it done as fast as possible" mechanics don't make things take more time, and is it really that interesting to speed run through everything?
There's gotta be some activities people enjoy taking a little more time on, sex for instance ...