Is this gonna be the norm for getting Castrum in MSQ roulette..?

[Jojoya]

Square Enix could permanently ban me for backing out of the MSQ roulette and I still wouldn't run Castrum.

Prae or nothing!

Which is your choice but seems silly to me since it comes with the 30 minute penalty before you can queue for other duties/roulettes. In that 30 minutes you could have finished Castrum and gotten a good start on another dungeon, getting the same net rewards or perhaps even better if the second dungeon was level appropriate for you.

It's not like you were needed other than to get the group formed and into the instance. One tank, one healer and a few DPS can handle Castrum just fine. If you think by abandoning you're "sticking it to the man" and making things difficult for other players, you're not. You're only making things more difficult for yourself.

But each to their own.

[Mahoukenshi]

cid gives you a 1hr unskipable cs about why you shouldn't leave your dutys

I want this and see how the affected playerbase selfdestruct in rage xD.

[HyoMinPark]

Which is your choice but seems silly to me since it comes with the 30 minute penalty before you can queue for other duties/roulettes. In that 30 minutes you could have finished Castrum and gotten a good start on another dungeon, getting the same net rewards or perhaps even better if the second dungeon was level appropriate for you.

It's not like you were needed other than to get the group formed and into the instance. One tank, one healer and a few DPS can handle Castrum just fine. If you think by abandoning you're "sticking it to the man" and making things difficult for other players, you're not. You're only making things more difficult for yourself.

But each to their own.

If the player isn’t needed for completing Castrum, then why give them a harsher punishment for leaving it? Clearly, them leaving isn’t as detrimental as those who advocate for harsher punishments would like to imply.

[Saidosha]

More generally, I'm of the camp that Castrum and Prae need to be redesigned into solo instances. I know some like to pontificate that it's some epic multiplayer experience culminating in the climax of a story arc, but with how it's commonly played (or speed ran) now, it isn't exactly what I'd call intuitive or intended. From there, players either aren't talking because they're moving/fighting, or likely just trash talking the current CS/joking about watching netflix. Overall, I'd rather prioritize the storytelling experience for the first-timers than pushing an 8-man agenda, as that comes plenty with primal fights.

Relative to general leveling or the efficacy thereof, you obviously can't level a DPS class by queuing a healer or tank. This means the waits a mandatory, but things to do in between toward this end like FATEs are, frankly, not rewarding enough. I know some argue that if you make FATEs too good, no one will do dungeons, where I'd personally posit a more active open world is more beneficial to the game than shuffling everyone off to instances that inevitably get stale after enough reruns. I pretty much never see the big boss FATEs done anymore, either. There's just not enough manpower, partially fueled by the aforementioned lack of reward. There's also the fact some FATEs don't downscale correctly/fast enough or have improperly marked targets that don't count for progress.

Of course, if you want to make dungeons fun, you can't really stick to this hallway > boss > hallway > boss > hallway > final boss system. What I'd love to see is truly procedureally generated dungeons. You won't know what the bosses are. You won't know what kind of mobs you'll face. You won't know what path is right or has some good treasure. Terrain may even offer a challenge of its own. And no, PotD or HoH do no satisfy these criteria, as they're pretty sterile in both challenge and environment. Oh well.

[Jojoya]

If the player isn’t needed for completing Castrum, then why give them a harsher punishment for leaving it? Clearly, them leaving isn’t as detrimental as those who advocate for harsher punishments would like to imply.

I'm not one suggesting a harsher punishment since I think it's fine as is. Thirty minutes is a pretty stiff penalty for someone who can only play an hour or two a day, especially if they rely on queued content.

Have no idea why others want a harsher penalty unless they were hoping others were going to carry them through the instance while they put their character on follow then go AFK. Well, tough for them. They're even more guilty than the players who are at least honest enough to leave the group because they don't want to do that instance.

[Lacan]

can someone make a meme of spongebob going "ight imma head out" only he's in the castrum starting area? please and thank you.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

You can't force people to do stuff they don't want to do. Trying to add harsher punishments ain't it, chief. I don't do Castrum because it's not worth my time. Yes, could it be done within the thirty minute penalty? Probably. But I can do other things whilst waiting. Thirty minutes isn't that long.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Don't forget:

You get sent to pre-nerf Pagos and have to level up to 35 before you can leave.

[Bright-Flower]

This just seems silly to me. Okay sure prae gives better rewards but CM is quick and easy and you have to eat the 30m penalty during which time you won't be getting anything productive done anyway.

I can at least sort of understand someone who gets AV in leveloing roulette and leaves or something. You have a small chance of getting it. But in main scenario roulette it's a coin flip. You're going to get CM about as often as you get Prae in the long term. So it just seems really silly to me to queue up for it, not get the one you wanted which was a 50/50 chance, and leave.

[Mavrias]

This just seems silly to me. Okay sure prae gives better rewards but CM is quick and easy and you have to eat the 30m penalty during which time you won't be getting anything productive done anyway.

Only if you do exclusively instanced content. There's a million and one things you can do in this game to wait out a 30 minute penalty.