Eden Savage Loot

[FreyaFreespirit]

Hi everyone - this is my first post on the forums

So basically I am here to suggest something with the Eden savage loot. I have been running Eden Savage since its release - only E1S and E2S mind. I clear it every single week and have done for a while to be honest, but I have TERRIBLE rolls (6 - 9 - 1 - 32 - 41) If it was not for the books we get every week for clear I would have no 470 gear. Now I am struggling with my rolls but some lucky people are gearing their 3rd alt class. It is so frustrating

So I would like to possibly suggest 2 possible remedy's

Firstly make it so people who have the gear piece cant roll on that gear piece - now I am almost certain (like 90%) I saw a bard roll on the belt from E1S and had the 470 belt equipped Im also almost certain the same bard rolled for the head piece on E2S and again had the 470 head piece equipped - now in my opinion he didn't NEED these items - I have the 470 belt myself and I have a few other 470 items (i think I have 3 /4 in total) So I press PASS on the items I already have I would rather they go to someone who has not got them

Secondly could you please lower the cost of the 470 items from the vendor, for example the 470 Edengrace Earrings of Fending cost 4 books of resurrection, maybe lower them to 2 books. It would be so much easier, and I think people like me who have extremely bad luck would appreciate this system more than the current one.

[Mavrias]

Just because the bard didnt need the piece on the class he's on doesnt mean he didnt need the pieces. I'd much rather people bring their well geared main to a weekly clear party than the potentially undergeared alt they may not be as good with. He cleared the fight same as you he has every right to roll on what he pleases.


While i would love for the cost of pieces to be decreased, that wont happen, because people will gear up faster and thus unsub faster.

[RicaRuin]

Well, but they explicitely changed the system from specific drops to chests so that people can also equip their salts by running as the job they feel most comfortable as.

Also don't think they would lower the cost. Savage items have ever had the same cost of tokens since... Alexander, I believe, so no real chance there.

[Billythepancake]

I would like them to make things better for pugs. The current lot system is fantastic if you're in a static, but if you have to put the tier you're just SOL. I'm fortunate enough to have a static and have one that does really well, so I've already gotten bis this tier, but I still certainly feel bad for anyone who has such irregular times that they must pugs, as the was my situation last tier.

[Mavrias]

Actually the person leading the part SPECIFICALLY stated that it was for gearing main classes only - there was a loot agreement and everything in place the bard did agree to it - The bard did actually break this. But my point is this He had the items equipped he didnt really need them as much as other people, some people were decent and stuck to the loot agreement and didnt roll on the things they already had - and allowed others whos need was GREATER to have them - well accept the bard.



While I agree this may be a point - I think I am more likely to unsub because there's very little chance of me getting something because I have very bad luck and my rolls are just terrible and the system the way it is rather than if I were actually able to get more items - I think if anything that would encourage me to keep going. Also I do remember this for Alex Savage - I had terrible luck there - and actually Did unsub after like 4 weeks of really bad luck with the rolls - its discouraging

well, if that was the agreement, you could always report them. GMs do actually take loot agreements stated in game seriously. Dont know that it would actually give anyone else that piece, but maybe. Another thing to consider is, were they wearing augmented deepshadow 470 or edengrace 470. IDK anything about Bard BiS this tier but if they had deepshadow they may have preferred the substat array on the edengrace. Ya dig? Again, needing as much as others is subjective. You all cleared together, so you all get the opportunity to roll. If you want to truly enforce something like that, you make a lootmaster party.

I understand being discouraged, but it is what it is. You win some lots and lose some lots. Thats what tome gear is there for. To supplement what you dont have/want.

[RicaRuin]

Well, if there's a loot chest, everyone can always roll Need and maybe be lucky. Meanwhile, with the other system, maybe you are unlucky and Fending never drops, so you can never roll Need.

[HyoMinPark]

now I am almost certain (like 90%) I saw a bard roll on the belt from E1S and had the 470 belt equipped Im also almost certain the same bard rolled for the head piece on E2S and again had the 470 head piece equipped - now in my opinion he didn't NEED these items - I have the 470 belt myself and I have a few other 470 items (i think I have 3 /4 in total) So I press PASS on the items I already have I would rather they go to someone who has not got them

While the belt isn’t BiS for any of the Aiming, the Savage head piece is BiS for all three. So, technically, he was taking gear for his main job if he rolled and won the i470 Savage head piece.

Now I was almost certain there was a time where FENDING items dropped in Savage but then I thought I dreamed that up - I personally preferred that - I mean then it was only me and the other tank competing for FENDING items, and if the other tank had the items then I am certain he couldn't roll for them again - I mean I find the system they use with the Primal EX's much nicer - It was/is a nicer system in my opinion, it made it easier for people with bad rolls to gear themselves and we were not competing with everyone. I really preferred that system. I do think a lot of people who have really bad luck did too.

That was the case in both Alexander and Omegascape. They changed specific drops into the coffers because there was always a possibility of double drops or getting drops that no one needed (e.g., casting gear dropping in a group that didn’t have a caster).

Personally, I prefer the new system. In Alphascape, my static went 9 weeks without seeing a single Slaying accessory. In o10s, the Aiming gloves dropped every other week—they weren’t BiS for BRD or MCH. We didn’t have a caster, but our MNK secondary’d BLM and had it geared before his main class with all the casting gear that kept dropping.

[HyoMinPark]

Oh yeah its all RNG I get that but like for the Primal EX's the system put in place there stops me from rolling on FENDING gear so if I am with another tank who has lets say 440 gear - and not the 450 gear from the Primal - and FENDING gear Drops then he would get that - I think that is 100% fair, I myself like that system far more than this one, its less competition.

I am honestly just saying the system for people who pug things need to be better, so that they too can get a better chance to gear themselves. Thats all.

Changing to that system still runs the risk of groups receiving drops that they don’t need—which then are likely to just hit the floor. You still see that with the random weapon drop in E4S—my group hasn’t had a single week go by where we got a weapon we actually needed for a main class save for Week 3, when the WHM cane dropped for our WHM. Each week it’s been a weapon for either: a job none of us play, or a weapon that one of us already got a coffer for (the BLM rod has dropped 4 times our of the 8 times we’ve cleared).

Sometimes you have crap RNG and walk away with nothing—but that happens to everyone. Other times, you have astounding RNG and walk away with all of the coffers. That’s the trade off for a system that guarantees drops to not be worthless.

I did actually check this he had the BiS - he already had them, and as you say the belt is not the best, so then I ask why. He also already had the headgear - the bard genuinely didn't need to roll on the items he rolled on - there were others there who in my opinion their needs were greater than his own he could have just let them have it.

Was it the i470 Augmented Deepshadow or the i470 Savage head piece? You’re only saying i470 piece, but there are two different ones. If it was the Augmented Deepshadow, well, sadly for him he wasted a twine on that because it’s not BiS for any of the Aiming jobs in any of their proposed gearsets—but the i470 Savage is BiS. The belt is useless because all of them are i470 Augmented. So I’ll concede there if his gear was as you were describing.

I will be honest that is rough, I will just say I am only saying I think the system needs to be better thats all, Im not saying anyone is doing wrong, Im just saying I think it needs to be better, like you just said casting gear dropping in a group that didn’t have a caster, yeah it dose happen, Im just wondering aloud if there's anything that can make it stop happening, but benefit all at the same time. I mean the new system is good, that way, but its bad in the way that people who have say the head piece equipped can again roll for the head piece. I mean that bard for example claimed he was gearing his 5th alt class.

The only way they could stop the useless drops is to configure an algorithm that reads party compositions each time they queue into the instance, and adjust potential loot tables off of the jobs that the game registers in the instance. But this is only effective really for gearing mains—seeking gear for alts that one may not have in one’s composition would be impossible in this scenario since the game would never drop, say, Maiming gear if there wasn’t a DRG present. That said, I doubt that the developers would take the time to configure coding for this.

Making it so that people cannot roll on a head piece coffer if they have a head piece equipped also isn’t a solution. Because then that prevents them from rolling on gear for alts in pug parties that don’t have “gear your mains only” rules or for statics who are distributing loot for alt jobs (which is what mine is currently doing because all of our mains are geared now). Changing it to Greed Only would be a better solution than to not allowing them to roll at all.

I ideally would like a system that allows everyone to be able to gear themselves at a similar time span.

I think that this would be difficult to achieve, because BiS sets are different for each role. Healers, for example, take left side pieces almost exclusively from Savage. Aiming gearsets, on the other hand, take tome gloves, belt, and legs—they have less Savage pieces compared to healers.

When you have optimal gearsets that have different ratios of Savage gear to Tomestone gear, you can’t hope to gear everyone at the same rate. I had my BiS much faster than a lot of my raid mates because theirs took more Tome pieces than mine, for example. So I got a lot of the Savage drops when they first dropped.

[RicaRuin]

Completely gear 5 different classes since Savage Release? In 10 weeks? That's awesome. /s

[HyoMinPark]

I pug things, Im just suggesting improving the system for people who are forced to pug things because its not brilliant for people who do pug things. I personally do not want to have to compete with everyone and their alt classes for gear.

See my post above. I already addressed things they could do—along with the downfalls of each.