Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Alklios]

Good morning all.

I was heavily encouraged by GMs to bring my case here to feedback/suggestion forums for developers to read.

Speaking with the GM I discovered they cannot reimburse the Tomes I would have received for completion of the dungeon. I was genuinely suprised, as I expect the company I pay for a service to insure I could be protected (or perhaps reimbursed) against these abuse of features.
By comparison on another MMO, WoW had delivered basic gear for me and even restored old vanity items after I was hacked and lost my account for an entire week. In addition, they reimbursed the conquest points I lost for not competing for that week (pvp weekly cap currency). With full understanding that another player that impededed my progression is not my fault and I should not be punished for it, I was able to maintain ilvl and remain being competitive.

In ff14 the bosses one has cleared have their tomes literally erased from a vote kick in addition to being denied the completion bonus.

My suggestion is that after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, if the player accosted is found in the right they should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied.

I am asking that the service provider I am paying money help to completely mitigate the losses incurred by abusive players and perhaps not be so concerned by voicing that 'justice will be served'. At the end of the day I still need to waste more of my precious free time to repeat content that's become a large problem this last year.

If a Dev could respond why they hadn't considered this feature that'd be very constructive.

Thank you for reading.

[Kurando]

By comparison, WoW had delivered basic gear for me and even restored old vanity items after I was hacked and lost my account for an entire week. In addition, they reimbursed the conquest points I lost for that week (pvp weekly cap currency). With full understanding that another player that impededed my progression is not my fault and I should not be punished for it. .

Difference is though you didn't have your account hacked in FFXIV, you were kicked from a party, they are not quite the same. We don't know both sides of the story, perhaps kicking you was justified, perhaps it wasn't but can't change what has happened. I would advise finding people to run content with whether it's from an FC, LS or using the Party Finder, so you'll be less likely to have issues with randoms in the DF matchmaker.

[Alklios]

The similarity is that both were suffering abuse of players. And I quoted myself, "after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, the player accosted should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied." So that ineeded both sides of equation would be investigated.

I disagree that I should be tasked with forming pre-mades for all content to avoid player abuse. That gives power to the abuser and burdens the abused. Imagine if more people did this, new players or solo players would be more discouraged from the far longer Q times from lack of players in the Q. It wouldn't be sustainable sadly, leading to loss of players.

[Mavrias]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

[Kurando]

Who said it was wrongful use of vote-kick, the GM? I mean unless they spoke to both parties yourself and the other player that initiated the kick then any kick can be valid under the right circumstances. Perhaps the third player that agreed to the kick didn't feel comfortable in the situation and someone had to go, it just happened to be you first, can only speculate really unless you know exactly what they were feeling.

I didn't say you should preform for all content only that it's an option as based on what you are saying you are have these issues regularly, which suggests either you're the problem or you are very unlucky when it comes to matchmaking. Plenty of players do use the Party Finder though so it's a legitimate option should you choose to pursue it.

[Alklios]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

I was not AFK. I was not offline. I did not match any criteria for a kick. Yes, for a half hour of my time I think I should be given the due currency a player had power to abuse and deny me.

Hacking and wrongful use of kick are both violations of ToS to grief a player. That's the equivalence. Please place your strawmen elsewhere.

[Alklios]

Who said it was wrongful use of vote-kick, the GM? I mean unless they spoke to both parties yourself and the other player that initiated the kick then any kick can be valid under the right circumstances. Perhaps the third player that agreed to the kick didn't feel comfortable in the situation and someone had to go, it just happened to be you first, can only speculate really unless you know exactly what they were feeling.

I didn't say you should preform for all content only that it's an option as based on what you are saying you are have these issues regularly, which suggests either you're the problem or you are very unlucky when it comes to matchmaking. Plenty of players do use the Party Finder though so it's a legitimate option should you choose to pursue it.

The GM will clearly see a replay of certain individuals becoming irate over difference of opinion then deciding to abuse a kick feature. The GM's say 'blacklist' a person you disagree with. Not be an immature abuser and deny them the reward they worked the previous half hour for you to obtain.

[Alklios]

So let me get this straight:

You got into an argument with someone in a dungeon, the party gets tired of it, kicks you, and now you want free tomes because once in WoW your account got hacked and a GM restored your items. Because those are equivalent situations somehow?

I feel as if you believe people should be kicked due to difference of opinion, you may be part of the problem. Unjustified. Civil people can agree to disagree and get a job done.

[Mavrias]

I was not AFK. I was not offline. I did not match any criteria for a kick. Yes, for a half hour of my time I think I should be given the due currency a player had power to abuse and deny me.

Hacking and wrongful use of kick are both violations of ToS to grief a player. That's the equivalence. Please place your strawmen elsewhere.

You can kick for just about any reason, not just those. You can be kicked cause someone doesnt like your glamour. Also depending on the nature of the argument whatever it was, they likely chose harassment.

You can say its wrongful all you like, doesnt make it true. Especially since we only have your side of the story and by your own admission there was a "disagreement."

[Alklios]

You can kick for just about any reason, not just those. You can be kicked cause someone doesnt like your glamour. Also depending on the nature of the argument whatever it was, they likely chose harassment.

You can say its wrongful all you like, doesnt make it true. Especially since we only have your side of the story and by your own admission there was a "disagreement."

https://imgur.com/a/KtzwUWV

This image disagrees with you. Disagreement does not equal harassment. The GMs will say blacklist.

What makes a wrongful kick is a wrongful kick. 'Disagreeing with healer' is not an option here.

I advise against soliciting people to break rules by wrongfully informing them that there can be any reason outside of these for a justifiable kick.

Likewise, please do not derail this thread into being about me seeming to want to earn anyone to my side. Refer to quote: "My suggestion is that after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, the player accosted should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied."

GM decides fault, and if in favor of the victim, they should receive reimbursement.