MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[Zarkovitch]

You have enough time to reply on forum while you re on cs of msq!

[Ishgardian]

It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing

It's reflexes. Early 2018 I was just another sprout so excited to finish the ARR story that I didn't mind waiting for 50 minutes to find a group.

The thing is that when we entered the dungeon everyone started bashing me for wanting to watch the cut-scenes and experience the story. The result was that I watched all of them but participated in NO battle. So, I ended up holding a grudge against people who are so incosiderate as to undermine and diminish a new player's experience of the game.

Recently that I started doing this very same dungeon for tomes I have noticed that almost every other day there is a newbie who runs it for the very first time. Let's just say that should people start skipping cut-scenes I will be simply delighted to report them.

[HyperiusUltima]

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As much as I agree with this, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a minute.

So, being someone who has gone through the CS skips in ARR before in 2.4+, I've seen people whine about it before. It was a real issue back when Poetics Farms was the general reason for running MSQ Roulette for Binding Coil. However, since a large amount of EXP is garnered behind a boring cutscene you have to run every day, people grow tired of seeing it over and over. Let alone, just the walk through Castrum feels like a slog to most that are 60-70+ considering it even gives LESS just because it's not so covered in Cutscenes. Even if kicking the new players who watch the cutscenes in a group that will DC and reconnect just to skip Nero's 5 minute monologue and Baelsar's 2 minute pep talk is wrong, the system needs to change with MSQ Roulette.

We have how many end-game dungeons now that aren't optional? Let's see here...

Lv 50
Castrum Meridianum
The Praetorium
Keeper of the Lake
The Steps of Faith(not a dungeon, but literally the end of ARR)

Lv 60
The Aetherochemical Research Facility
Sohm Al(Just before Nidhogg)
The Final Steps of Faith(End of HW)
Baelsar's Wall(Final Dungeon before SB)

Lv 70
Ala Mhigo
The Royal Menagarie(Shinryu; it may be a trial, but it's a big one at the end of 4.0)
The Ghimlyt Dark

I can't remember correctly, but I believe someone asked around the time of Heavensward or Stormblood about expanding the MSQ Roulette so they wouldn't have to run the same two dungeons again and again. Same goes for Expert. Regardless, these dungeons(and trials) are at the peak of their stories that set up the bigger storyline going into the next expansion or patch series. This is shown in Keeper of the Lake and The Steps of Faith, since the story there relates to the dragons and Ishgard.

Given that we're limited to the only two end-game ARR dungeons that are hella old, people will eat the penalty if they get Praetorium or Castrum rather than sit there for so long. Even still, it's 30m worth of time. By expanding the MSQ Roulette to dungeons that are at the peak of their story you will have a broader selection and people will actually like the roulette instead of simply attempting to skip Praetorium's Cutscenes just because there's a huge reward locked behind it. Of course, if they were to do that, they would have to adjust MSQ roulette as a whole so that it's fair across the board. That will be for the development team to decide upon since for Leveling Roulette, the XP you get is based on the dungeon/trial you play along with your current level; making up the XP discrepancy after completion.


TLDR; Expand MSQ Roulette so that it includes more variety.

[Vnolan]

Also it wouldn't matter if the whole group agreed to skip or not, they're technically breaking the ToS in case a GM might have been watchin in the instance.

Not "technically". It's against the ToS, but there are a bunch of other things against the ToS that are allowed. Looting a FC's coffers before leaving and Lootmaster scam parties aren't even against the ToS.

GMs don't randomly pop into instances or watch players without reports. How could they with how many reports SE gets? If you think the player base is paranoid know, imagine if GMs could dish out penalties for profanity use among friends in private.

The rewards are based on you completing the dungeon and sitting through all the cutscenes. You're using a glitch to collect rewards without completing the requirements. Do you honestly think SE is going to consider that OK? Be completely honest.

How many got in trouble for BLU or Eureka glitching? The cutscene skipping has been going on for at least 18 months

Skipping with new players would be detrimental to their gameplay experience, but I imagine the party dropping because they didn't get the right duty would also be bad for their experience. Difference is most seem to be fine with the latter.

Yes, in order of severity.
If the person was chewing someone out, perhaps that would be a caution or warning.
Someone jumping through exploits would probably get that.

There is no 30-day account suspension. Back when the max temp ban was 9 days the most anyone got for Ungarmax exploiting was 9 days.

Exploiting is flat out cheating

It's not cheating if everyone and anyone can do it. The devs may not want you to do it, but I'm sure they don't want players leaving Castrum because they can't level up while watching TV.

What gives ANY of you any reason to think that you have a right to those rewards when you do not do the requirements for them?

The requirements are completing the dungeon. Should groups that pull the entire dungeon and sac the tank for faster clears also be included in that group? What about players that joined shortly before the clear?

It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing

who don't earn things as intended and break the TOS.

Like I said, "content isn't being respected".

[Iscah]

TLDR; Expand MSQ Roulette so that it includes more variety.

The MSQ roulette dungeons aren't split out because of their being "the climax" but because of their format: eight players instead of the usual four in a dungeon, and lengthy cutscenes.

The finales for the expansions don't have this format, so are grouped in a separate roulette.

MSQ roulette isn't designed for "variety", it's designed so that those who do it know exactly what they're signing up for to earn those tomes.

How many got in trouble for BLU or Eureka glitching? The cutscene skipping has been going on for at least 18 months

Skipping with new players would be detrimental to their gameplay experience, but I imagine the party dropping because they didn't get the right duty would also be bad for their experience. Difference is most seem to be fine with the latter.

The difference between dropping out and disconnecting-to-skip is that one is permitted within the game, and one requires doing things "outside the game" (force-quitting the program or physically disconnecting your internet connection) that are beyond the programmers' ability to prevent. That doesn't mean they approve of it or wouldn't prevent it if they could, just that it isn't possible for them to control within the game's code.

Choosing to leave the dungeon could be seen as rude, but it is something you are permitted to do via an in-game menu.

[RoyalBeef]

So, I ended up holding a grudge against people who are so incosiderate as to undermine and diminish a new player's experience of the game.
Recently that I started doing this very same dungeon for tomes I have noticed that almost every other day there is a newbie who runs it for the very first time. Let's just say that should people start skipping cut-scenes I will be simply delighted to report them.

Pretty sure new players are fine without self proclaimed vigilantes like you. Also getting your dopamine kicks from reporting people doesn't seem healthy.

[SerLuke]

Pretty sure new players are fine without self proclaimed vigilantes like you. Also getting your dopamine kicks from reporting people doesn't seem healthy.

You worried you are going to get reported? You seem to have a vested interest in defending people disconnecting intentionally in this duty.

[RoyalBeef]

You worried you are going to get reported? You seem to have a vested interest in defending people disconnecting intentionally in this duty.

I got reported for parodying someone's comment, so I'm aware of what kind of people I'm dealing with here. And no, breaking TOS is not something to defend :P try again ^^

[SerLuke]

I got reported for parodying someone's comment, so I'm aware of what kind of people I'm dealing with here. And no, breaking TOS is not something to defend :P try again ^^

And yet here you are doing just that.

[RoyalBeef]

And yet here you are doing just that.

Nope, you're pulling that out of thin air ^^Saying I'm against exaggerated police brutality doesn't mean I'm defending criminals. Try again.