MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[Halivel]

I'd say that the most important thing is the time/reward ratio. If Prae and Castrum are put into another roulette, they can still have a higher Xp reward. Until recently, I thought that all duties in a roulette had the same reward...until Steps Of Faith gave me twice what other trials did before and after it.

Prae and Castrum as they are now have different rewards too. Prae is... HUGE (gives you 19kk on 79th level wich is more than 50% of exp you need for level up), to say the least, since it's a movie dungeon, and Castrum is near to average leveling roulette reward.

[Buzzwords]

man... this thread is starting to remind me of all those people that tried to "brag" about how many blue mages they "got banned" the day after the job swap exploit became widespread. like hall monitors or the kid that reminded the teacher that they forgot to assign homework.


of course the best part being the whole official statement from SE: (paraphrasing) "nobody cares, why are you bothering me with this?"

[RoyalBeef]

the kid that reminded the teacher that they forgot to assign homework.

Perfect summary of those personality types. And they still wonder why they are disliked more than TOS breakers ^^

[SerLuke]

I think mixing CM and Prae into other dungeon roultees would be a mistake.

Because then you either have everyone skipping the cutscenes again, or you make them all unskippable and have two dungeons in the mix that are much longer than normal dungeons because of said cutscenes. They work fine as an isolated roulette now but generally things in the roulette should have comparable completion times.

I think the best solution would be to work them into solo duties with npcs instead. With maybe a trial to cap it off for Ultima Weapon (fight 2) and Lahabrea at the end.

But then you would get people complaining they can’t exploit Praetorium anymore for fast massive exp

[SerLuke]

man... this thread is starting to remind me of all those people that tried to "brag" about how many blue mages they "got banned" the day after the job swap exploit became widespread. like hall monitors or the kid that reminded the teacher that they forgot to assign homework.


of course the best part being the whole official statement from SE: (paraphrasing) "nobody cares, why are you bothering me with this?"

Not sure what you are going on about with the official statement thing, the only official statement is in the TOS(which is very clear about exploits) people in this thread have said they got 30 day bans over it, it’s quite clear where SE stands on it.

[Buzzwords]

Not sure what you are going on about with the official statement thing, the only official statement is in the TOS(which is very clear about exploits) people in this thread have said they got 30 day bans over it, it’s quite clear where SE stands on it.

referring to the blue mage exploit that i mentioned... right there in that same post? squeenix VERY clearly stated that no punishments would be handed out over it.

i only mention it because it was funny and this thread reminded me of it. all the little hall monitors so proud of themselves for telling and "getting them all banned"

when in reality all the blue mages just... hit lvl 50 and left...

[Imbrium]

referring to the blue mage exploit that i mentioned... right there in that same post? squeenix VERY clearly stated that no punishments would be handed out over it.

i only mention it because it was funny and this thread reminded me of it. all the little hall monitors so proud of themselves for telling and "getting them all banned"

when in reality all the blue mages just... hit lvl 50 and left...

I'm fairly certain the devs were laughing at all the little Blu mages excited at being 50 so quickly, who were going to spend another 150 or more hours farming abilities- the true Blu endgame- personally, but sure. Your explanation is more positive for the Blu's walking off into the sunset.

I haven't seen any posts bragging about 'getting them all banned', either. I think we all know people are going to cutscene skip and not be pulled into a gaol- but some will. Telling others to follow the ToS and avoid such a fate just seems like solid advice, no? Or failing that advising individuals to run something else if the msq dungeons are apparently not worth their time.

[Halivel]

if the msq dungeons are apparently not worth their time.

They, apparently, just forget that this Roulette has solid EXP and Tomestones reward for a reason and without unskippable cutscenes it would be about 5 time less. Or maybe they are failry new to the game and didn't even know.

Anyway, I suppose it's in humanity nature to be tricksters until the moment when there is an administration punching their hands for it either just mentally or with bans/fines.

Just today I had discussion in NN where another Mentor openly said "I do it and other people do it with me" and "It's not the same as other exploits it doesn't break anything". And when I was trying to point out that this's still a breaking of ToS and isn't something you should encourage people to do (especially as a Mentor tbh) quess what? People act in way "nah I have never had problems who cares". Just... /sigh/ This is beyond any hope, I presume.

[Imbrium]

They, apparently, just forget that this Roulette has solid EXP and Tomestones reward for a reason and without unskippable cutscenes it would be about 5 time less. Or maybe they are failry new to the game and didn't even know.

Anyway, I suppose it's in humanity nature to be tricksters until the moment when there is an administration punching their hands for it either just mentally or with bans/fines.

Just today I had discussion in NN where another Mentor openly said "I do it and other people do it with me" and "It's not the same as other exploits it doesn't break anything". And when I was trying to point out that this's still a breaking of ToS and isn't something you should encourage people to do (especially as a Mentor tbh) quess what? People act in way "nah I have never had problems who cares". Just... /sigh/ This is beyond any hope, I presume.

I like to think that people like that are the minority, at least. In my msq runs across 3 accounts, the worst I usually see in Prae are people trying to afk through or dcing entirely in the hopes of a boot. The forums aren't a good representation of the community, so we could think half the population is doing this trick based on replies when it's really 1% or less, and of that % we have confirmation that mods are getting involved.

The person who says, "It's never happened to me!" today could be awol for a few days and say "Guess what happened to me?" the next time you see them, after all. We need to keep being the voice of reason when they try and spread the "It's totally fine!" lines.

[Deceptus]

Balance it for 4 people and call it a day.

Or allow squadrons to be able to run it.