MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[Geostar]

Like the person in this thread that said they got a 30 day ban for it?

Well as long there is no hard evidence i have my doubts, true its an exploit but from what i have seen and noticed its in the lines of if you dont talk about it no one cares (certain programs etc). But hey maybe i just got lucky in the end feel the room if the group isnt up tight then do as you please.

[MariaArvana]

Well as long there is no hard evidence i have my doubts, true its an exploit but from what i have seen and noticed its in the lines of if you dont talk about it no one cares (certain programs etc). But hey maybe i just got lucky in the end feel the room if the group isnt up tight then do as you please.

My friend's gotten punished for it with a 3 day suspension without having said anything in chat, GMs have a lot of tools at their disposal to tell if its happening if a report comes their way. Realistically you did get lucky, but it is breaking the ToS. It's simply a matter of 'do it at your own risk'. But if you get unlucky and someone in your party dislikes it and files a report against you and you end up in front of a GM, you only have yourself to blame for any suspension you receive.

That's really the simplicity of it. You're the one risking your account, up to you to decide if saving the time is worth potentially losing access to your account for multiple days (3, 10 or 20+), or being straight up banned depending on the frequency/severeity of it.

[Tsalmaveth]

The upped exp and rewards are given for a reason. Exploiting is flat out cheating and removing the point of giving those rewards and you have no right to them at that point. What gives ANY of you any reason to think that you have a right to those rewards when you do not do the requirements for them? That is the textbook example of entitlement and arrogance. If you don't want to do what is required for the rewards... then you DO NOT DESERVE THEM. Don't queue for it. Flat out. It isn't 'white knighting' to say otherwise. If you want the ability to skip the cut scenes back, then they should remove the increase in exp and tomes that came with them. Spoiled. Brats. Seriously. And yes, I do report people for this kind of thing. And I have taught other people how to do it.

It's also VERY simple how to tell when people accidentally DC. Along with getting out of CS early due to differences in language settings. Either be decent people or not, just own it and admit that you would rather be entitled brats who don't earn things as intended and break the TOS.

[Halivel]

It's also VERY simple how to tell when people accidentally DC. Along with getting out of CS early due to differences in language settings.

How? By the fact the person will not DC on every cutscene or there is some other way?

[Tsalmaveth]

How? By the fact the person will not DC on every cutscene or there is some other way?

That's one way. Usually people say something. There is also deliberately charging ahead every fight to pull the bosses and rush the instance. It's painfully obvious when people are doing this exploit and when someone has a bad ISP/DC issue.

[Tlachtga]

It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing

Most of the people reporting others for skipping the cutscenes probably game the alliance roulette by unequipping their gear to lower ilvl for CT anyway lol

[Iscah]

It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing

Most of the people reporting others for skipping the cutscenes probably game the alliance roulette by unequipping their gear to lower ilvl for CT anyway lol

I can't see how (or why) you'd make that connection for any reason other than to dismiss the people whose opinion you don't agree with.

[Enla]

It makes no sense to me that people get so angry at the cutscene skipping thing

Most of the people reporting others for skipping the cutscenes probably game the alliance roulette by unequipping their gear to lower ilvl for CT anyway lol

The roulette isn't for us it's for newbies who are trying to experience the story. Which for ARR is basically the equivalent of the final dungeon/area of a traditional Final Fantasy. Having seen just how badly newbies got treated before the anti-skips were put in place and now how nasty players get now when others don't break the TOS with them, outright kicking players who don't conform as has been pointed out in this very thread, you bet I find it annoying. The people who skip or whine about the cutscenes have other ways to make exp or gather tomes, but the new players have no recourse if they want to enjoy the story and happen to have the misfortune of getting into a group that has decided to forego the very reason the roulette was created in the first place.

[Zarkovitch]

You have enough time to reply on forum while you re on cs of msq!

[HyperiusUltima]

SNIP

As much as I agree with this, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a minute.

So, being someone who has gone through the CS skips in ARR before in 2.4+, I've seen people whine about it before. It was a real issue back when Poetics Farms was the general reason for running MSQ Roulette for Binding Coil. However, since a large amount of EXP is garnered behind a boring cutscene you have to run every day, people grow tired of seeing it over and over. Let alone, just the walk through Castrum feels like a slog to most that are 60-70+ considering it even gives LESS just because it's not so covered in Cutscenes. Even if kicking the new players who watch the cutscenes in a group that will DC and reconnect just to skip Nero's 5 minute monologue and Baelsar's 2 minute pep talk is wrong, the system needs to change with MSQ Roulette.

We have how many end-game dungeons now that aren't optional? Let's see here...

Lv 50
Castrum Meridianum
The Praetorium
Keeper of the Lake
The Steps of Faith(not a dungeon, but literally the end of ARR)

Lv 60
The Aetherochemical Research Facility
Sohm Al(Just before Nidhogg)
The Final Steps of Faith(End of HW)
Baelsar's Wall(Final Dungeon before SB)

Lv 70
Ala Mhigo
The Royal Menagarie(Shinryu; it may be a trial, but it's a big one at the end of 4.0)
The Ghimlyt Dark

I can't remember correctly, but I believe someone asked around the time of Heavensward or Stormblood about expanding the MSQ Roulette so they wouldn't have to run the same two dungeons again and again. Same goes for Expert. Regardless, these dungeons(and trials) are at the peak of their stories that set up the bigger storyline going into the next expansion or patch series. This is shown in Keeper of the Lake and The Steps of Faith, since the story there relates to the dragons and Ishgard.

Given that we're limited to the only two end-game ARR dungeons that are hella old, people will eat the penalty if they get Praetorium or Castrum rather than sit there for so long. Even still, it's 30m worth of time. By expanding the MSQ Roulette to dungeons that are at the peak of their story you will have a broader selection and people will actually like the roulette instead of simply attempting to skip Praetorium's Cutscenes just because there's a huge reward locked behind it. Of course, if they were to do that, they would have to adjust MSQ roulette as a whole so that it's fair across the board. That will be for the development team to decide upon since for Leveling Roulette, the XP you get is based on the dungeon/trial you play along with your current level; making up the XP discrepancy after completion.


TLDR; Expand MSQ Roulette so that it includes more variety.