One change for DRK: Darkside increases attack speed instead of damage

[Freyyy]

Really? A pissing match beteeen the 2 easiest tanks both trying to make their jobs sound like rocket science? Both jobs are pretty braindead right now and shadows of their older versions that had actual resource management, procs, and multiple combos, more defensive skills to manage, stance dancing, enmity concerns, etc.

You giys are just sounding ridiculous attempting to make these jobs sound so complex. They just arent. Drk has a bunch of ogcds, can bank/spend mp for raid buff optimization, and manage tbn properly. War banks gauge the same way as drks mp for burst windows, maintains eye, and (should be) managing nascent around your own damage flexibility and mitigation needs in a tweaked way that drk tries to min max tbn. None of these are terribly challenging, especially when se just reworked virtually every job to be steamlined and simplified way down from their previously punishing versions.

Where did you see me try to make DRK sound complex ? I'll quote myself :

Again I'm not saying DRK is hard or complex. Tanks are all easy af this expac and DRK definitely could use some more little things to make it stand out more (especially when looking at Delirium and IR). But saying DRK is WAR with less things to do is beyond ignorance.

Also again, I didn't say that DRK was a busy job. I said it was more busy than braindead WAR. Of course, compared to DPS jobs it's very lackluster. I also want SE to make tanks more complex and engaging. I've been saying it on multiple threads. Tanking in this game feels more and more shallow. I just don't think that "it only has one combo" is a valid reason to say a job is less busy or braindead. There are plenty of other reasons, and just giving them an extra combo finisher won't fix its problems. It might help (I suggested to give us Power Slash back with an interesting effect myself some time ago), but if we want to make the jobs more interesting and impactful we need more. [...]

I'm saying all over the place that DRK is easy, just like every single tank right now (and don't even get me started on GNB). I just find that there's way too much misinformation and people targetting the wrong things when saying the jobs are easy. Sorry for trying to be constructive instead of jumping on the "complain all the time" bandwagon by just saying the same "Oh YeAh dRk Is bOriNg" arguments in every single DRK thread.

[Reynhart]

I just find that there's way too much misinformation and people targetting the wrong things when saying the jobs are easy.

Several things can make a job not engaging to play, and you said yourself than repeated animation is one of them. Giving it another finisher would reduce that animation loop, and, if we tie a speed buff to it, a better pace and something to manage, on top of being a buff that no other tank have, thus giving a little more unique feel.
And, like I said earlier, it's an easy thing to do, that won't require redesigning the toolkit completely (At best, you slightly reduce some potencies, to compensate for the increased speed)

Another thing that makes DRK feel weird is "spam 5 times the same skill" taken from other tanks. And for that, I made a suggestion that, first, we should have Scourge back as a blood costing DoT, but have a blood combo Quietus-Bloodspiller-Scourge, so that Delirum would actually open a new combo unavailable outside of it. This would also make DRK the only job to have skills used in and out of combo.

[Pyitoechito]

I look away for one week and come back to a debate over which tanking job is more brain dead? Couldn't even keep it on topic for a single page.

I really should have seen this coming...