Playing SCH is so awkward and bad

[Dzian]

Is she still able to be blown around by stuff? I thought that stopped when she became untargetable. I never have any issues with sch and I don't even use dissipation or fey union at all.

SCH is a healer that requires a lot of practice to get the feel for the nuances and oddities. Once you get used to everything You can still go entire fights only using Adlo and aetherflow heals. I honestly usually have to use energy drain to use up a spare stack before the next use of aetherflow.

SCH is by no means bad. It just takes more practice and skill than WHM or AST.

I'd say your lucky..

Personally I find it's one extreme or the other. I'm either in dire need of stacks because I just can't heal fast enough or I'm sitting on them tossing out energy drains like candy.. just depends on the party

[frostmagemari]

I'd say your lucky..

Personally I find it's one extreme or the other. I'm either in dire need of stacks because I just can't heal fast enough or I'm sitting on them tossing out energy drains like candy.. just depends on the party

I'd honestly feel like SCH would benefit from a more fluid way to gather aether stacks.. y'know, proc'ing off abilities you're going to be using anyway (like how summoner pet abilities build stacks of Ruin IV, but have it proc off the sch abilities rather than pet) and have Aetherflow as an emergency stack button that only adds one (then upgraded to two later on) stacks.
Having your abilities locked behind a cool down like it is feels clunky in itself.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I'd say your lucky..

Personally I find it's one extreme or the other. I'm either in dire need of stacks because I just can't heal fast enough or I'm sitting on them tossing out energy drains like candy.. just depends on the party

As I said, just practice more. Imo my mentality as a healer is "How much work can I leave to my regens/fairy/ogcds/etc so I can dps more" If it helps learn how to do it on whm first since whm is a bit more straightforward.

I've played healers since 2.1 so a lot of my "luck" comes from experience. Knowing various playstyle habits, the reaction time to adapt on the fly, and the composure to stay away from panicking.

There are very few points in this game where you need to keep everyone at 100% hp at all times. So using the mentality of keeping people above certain thresholds might take some of the stress off. For example, a tank is going to be fine for a bit as long as they float around 70-80% hp unless you're wall-to-wall pulling. Then dps can generally just be slowly healed through a regen or 1 decent potency heal as long as they aren't being lazy/greedy and getting hit by excess damage.

[Dzian]

I'd honestly feel like SCH would benefit from a more fluid way to gather aether stacks.. y'know, proc'ing off abilities you're going to be using anyway (like how summoner pet abilities build stacks of Ruin IV, but have it proc off the sch abilities rather than pet) and have Aetherflow as an emergency stack button that only adds one (then upgraded to two later on) stacks.
Having your abilities locked behind a cool down like it is feels clunky in itself.

Oh yeah I kinda think the same should be true of the faerie gauge. Have it build gauge with fairy auctions as well. I dunno like 5 points for every embrace cast or something and balance it but making illumination and dawn consume gauge. 15 points for illumination 30 for dawn maybe. I dunno. Just feel a bit more functional imo

[EaMett]

Have they fixed that issue where if you're multitasking while ordering the fairy to cast something it would sometimes put the ability on CD without actually casting it?
Because that was a lot of fun. Sometimes it feels like they didn't really do much playtesting with the faerie lol

Not fixed, not even acknowledged by the devs as an issue.

I’ve been very vocal in these forums about the sch issues, and there are a few. The one thing that I find outright offensive is that our faerie skills are both on our gcd AND our faerie’s gcd. Honestly the whole pet changes seem underhanded and an overall afterthought. Especially after they fixed the issues in stormblood and totally reverted them in shb

[Melichoir]

So my thoughts...

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  My lvl 70 SCH has only access to Aetherflow to get Atherflow stacks every 60 seconds, and yet several of my heals/mitigation tools are locked behind an Aetherflow cost - and actually needing to be in combat to even be able to cast it is just dumb
  As other people pointed out, the pre pull aetherflow caused groups to wait on aetherflow to come near off CD so you can maximize aetherflow stacks. This was also a balance issue cause it allowed for a heavier burst out of SCH due to this. oGCD healing is pretty strong as a thing. If youre not thinking about precasting aetherflow before combat, this should be a non issues cause your opening cast should be biolysis or ruin 2 IIRC - an instant cast attack that will give you plenty of time to weave in aetherflow. Its a minor change that people just need to adjust for.
  
  
  
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  Not being able to target my faerie's Embrace leads to her randomly healing injured party members when the tank needs healing the most
  Embrace will prioritize you before everyone else, then randomly select targets to heal. Now this isnt exactly the best case scenario, as it would be better if she was scripted to prioritize lowest target HP after you, but "them's the breaks." This being said, you should be always keeping an eye on tank HP and not passing it off to your fairy. If theres a lot of damage, you should be hard casting heals, using Indom, or using Fey Illumn and Whispering dawn to handle it. I would see this issue as a minor one comparatively. Especially if you want to be direct healing the tank, you have Fey Union.
  
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  Healing from max Physic range leads to my faerie not doing anything, even though the range for Embrace is the same as Physic
  Well two things. You can still preposition fairy using pet command or macros, and you shouldnt be standing at max range healing. Theres limited situations where this would happen. Pretty much just use yourself to position fairy, and macro the rest when necessary. Prior to ShB, wasnt this the case anyways?
  
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  The non-Embrace faerie casts require me to almost be in melee range due to the 15/20 yard range, or else I miss the cast on half the group
  Again, if youre casting at max range, then you need to be closer. That being said, its also up to your group to be aware of your position. I know the "Healer Adjust" is a meme, but in reality your group shouldnt be always so spread out unless mechanics absolutely demand it. Particularly during AoE damage. So that Bard and BLM whos sitting on the farside of the arena because theyre prepositioning for a mechanic a minute + from now while massive AoE damage goes out, yeah, they need to move and be with the healers. You can maybe give leeway to a BLM, but thats something that should be pre-coordinated.
  
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  The non-Embrace faerie casts take 2-3 seconds before she even attempts the cast, which feels so clunky and unresponsive, as during that time-frame I neither get Embrace casts nor immediate effect of the cast as she's still casting it
  Yeah, this is a problem. Fairy should cast skills instantly and not be stalled out like that.
  

[SpiritualOcean]

I found playing SCH like playing MNK...

At first you just look at the job and go what in Thals name is going on here? Seriously this is just a huge mess. Meanwhile all the people who love those jobs are going: " . . . it's simple, seriously what's the problem? Stop hating on my job".

Bunch of tools that are niche, very helpful but niche and that feels a little bit different than the other jobs where they either don't have those tools or they're way more obvious when and where you should use it (like sleep or anti-knockback stuff). Once you learn where what is supposed to go suddenly the jobs become a lot more straight forward and things lay into place. These two jobs, imo, could do with a personal job tutorial lol. Especially when most jobs are super straight forward, these two jobs come with some twists that not all the other jobs have- not saying they're hard but it's like if you don't get when you're supposed to use what then it feels really weird. Also of course SCH is way more preemptive so that feels quite different if you're used to being more reactive.

So yeah I'd agree it's not super intuitive (compared to other jobs like the massively straight forward WHM lol), but starts to make sense after a while if you rub your face against the mechanics enough or if someone just straight up tells you what x and y are good for lol.

Ok. What are X and Y good for?

[Shougun]

Ok. What are X and Y good for?

To catch Z before 7 8 9.

Just in case you were being serious and not joking like I assume lol- X and Y are just fill in the blank variables because I was talking about two jobs and multiple abilities. Sort of a create your own example structure. So like what's Form Shift good for (and not good for), what's Tornado Kick all about, how do I properly use Deployment Tactics and Emergency Tactics, Recitation, Dissipation? Etc. . :P

[Nemmar]

Since i didn't play previous versions, to me it feels perfectly fine.

Sure, i wouldn't say no to a lower CD on the aetherflow skill, but it's not preventing me from enjoying the class.

The damage skills are indeed limited. Not very fun to spam the same nuke over and over.

Honestly, i think that the problem is not that Scholar and Astrologist have weak aspects or positional requirements, but rather that perhaps White mage might be too powerful in comparison.

[Billythepancake]

Since i didn't play previous versions, to me it feels perfectly fine.

Sure, i wouldn't say no to a lower CD on the aetherflow skill, but it's not preventing me from enjoying the class.

The damage skills are indeed limited. Not very fun to spam the same nuke over and over.

Honestly, i think that the problem is not that Scholar and Astrologist have weak aspects or positional requirements, but rather that perhaps White mage might be too powerful in comparison.

I wouldn't say SCH is weak compared to WHM, I think it's in the best spot on healers currently, but I find SCH more boring than anything. They took away everything and just turned scholar into "spam broil x times, reapply your 1 dot, then back to spaming. Sometimes you stop to throw and oGCD on the tank, then back to spamming" fairy has been made so weak and unresponsive that she's only good for dissipation fodder. Not to mention poor Selene.