Playing SCH is so awkward and bad

[Millybonk]

Coming from my lvl 80 WHM playing SCH feels really awkward:

• My lvl 70 SCH has only access to Aetherflow to get Atherflow stacks every 60 seconds, and yet several of my heals/mitigation tools are locked behind an Aetherflow cost - and actually needing to be in combat to even be able to cast it is just dumb
• Not being able to target my faerie's Embrace leads to her randomly healing injured party members when the tank needs healing the most
• Healing from max Physic range leads to my faerie not doing anything, even though the range for Embrace is the same as Physicc
• The non-Embrace faerie casts require me to almost be in melee range due to the 15/20 yard range, or else I miss the cast on half the group
• The non-Embrace faerie casts take 2-3 seconds before she even attempts the cast, which feels so clunky and unresponsive, as during that time-frame I neither get Embrace casts nor immediate effect of the cast as she's still casting it

[KageTokage]

The "combat required for Aetherflow" thing was done because people oft felt like it was necessary to wait a whole minute before boss pulls so SCH/SMN could start with a full Aetherflow stack and have another ready to go ASAP.

That aside, I've never felt starved for aetherflow outside of when tanks are doing big pulls in dungeons (And Dissipation and their other cooldowns fix that).

As for the faerie, most of its issues can be resolved by using stay to make it sit in the center of a boss arena where it'll be able to generally reach anyone who isn't standing on the very edges.

[Millybonk]

The "combat required for Aetherflow" thing was done because people oft felt like it was necessary to wait a whole minute before boss pulls so SCH/SMN could start with a full Aetherflow stack and have another ready to go ASAP.

That aside, I've never felt starved for aetherflow outside of when tanks are doing big pulls in dungeons (And Dissipation and their other cooldowns fix that).

As for the faerie, most of its issues can be resolved by using stay to make it sit in the center of a boss arena where it'll be able to generally reach anyone who isn't standing on the very edges.

You can do that now with Dissipation too.

I'm sometime starved, due to not much experience with SCH, but mostly it's the fact that outside of Dissipation you only get 3 casts per 60 seconds.

That's not resolved, that's a workaround, which also implies that you too think that the faerie AI/behavior is pathetic.

[MrKusakabe]

As for the faerie, most of its issues can be resolved by using stay to make it sit in the center of a boss arena where it'll be able to generally reach anyone who isn't standing on the very edges.

...until she is blown all over the place. Being in camouflage mode (not clickable from the party member list and disappearing nametags) it can be ridiculously stressful to see where she is, which leads me to simply send her to the middle blindly - even if she would be there already, which should not be a thing.

[HyoMinPark]

...until she is blown all over the place. Being in camouflage mode (not clickable from the party member list and disappearing nametags) it can be ridiculously stressful to see where she is, which leads me to simply send her to the middle blindly - even if she would be there already, which should not be a thing.

This is frankly the worst bit. Sometimes I don’t even realize that she got desummoned somehow and end up halfway through a fight without realizing she’s not there because I’m so used to her being in the party list. Not to mention the fact that I can’t keep track of her. They are adding them back to the party list at least, but I hope they also add in their name tags to be visible at least to the owner of the fairy.

[Kurando]

You've just gotten too used to WHM, play SCH some more and most things you get accustomed to over time.

[Millybonk]

You've just gotten too used to WHM, play SCH some more and most things you get accustomed to over time.

If the faerie AI would be decent, would cast heals on priority targets, would move faster, would cast her abilities instantly without a wind-up time - maybe.

But as it currently stands - no.

I can't even cast a faerie ability while I myself cast something as the faerie ability is considered an ability I cast, even though the faerie executes it, which in my eyes defeats the purpose of the faerie to even be present.

[Kurando]

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Could I get on board with players having more control over Embrace (I know some preferred attaching it to a macro), sure but if you ever manually used fairy actions before Shadowbringers then the current system is not massively different (aside from Embrace).

[Shougun]

You've just gotten too used to WHM, play SCH some more and most things you get accustomed to over time.

I found playing SCH like playing MNK...

At first you just look at the job and go what in Thals name is going on here? Seriously this is just a huge mess. Meanwhile all the people who love those jobs are going: " . . . it's simple, seriously what's the problem? Stop hating on my job".

Bunch of tools that are niche, very helpful but niche and that feels a little bit different than the other jobs where they either don't have those tools or they're way more obvious when and where you should use it (like sleep or anti-knockback stuff). Once you learn where what is supposed to go suddenly the jobs become a lot more straight forward and things lay into place. These two jobs, imo, could do with a personal job tutorial lol. Especially when most jobs are super straight forward, these two jobs come with some twists that not all the other jobs have- not saying they're hard but it's like if you don't get when you're supposed to use what then it feels really weird. Also of course SCH is way more preemptive so that feels quite different if you're used to being more reactive.

So yeah I'd agree it's not super intuitive (compared to other jobs like the massively straight forward WHM lol), but starts to make sense after a while if you rub your face against the mechanics enough or if someone just straight up tells you what x and y are good for lol.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Pre-ShB, the non-embrace abilities casted immediately.

The faery abilities feel clunky as the game now requires her to finish her previous cast and move to your position before casting what you commanded. When you are in a situation where you are constantly dodging, this delays her casts significantly.. You can get around a lot of this by taking her off "Heel" and putting locking her into a specific location.

I've mained the class for a year. Only time I get Aether-starved is in specific dungeons or people are just playing amazingly bad.