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    I'm actually in favor of that, because we honestly need more sources of gear at each ilvl (especially in the .0 set of content), and making the normal raid version not take 7 weeks + 2 weeks and change of capped tomestones would be a decent place to start.
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    I think what they have at the moment works.
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    Maximum Powerful
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    and what ilvl would that be???

    weathered AF wpn: 430
    goetia:440
    titania/crafted: 450
    deepshadow: 460
    hades ex wpn: 465
    aug deepshadow: 470
    eden wpn: 475

    if they were to add another wpn where would you put it and that's even more dev time lost to making another set of weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    and what ilvl would that be???

    weathered AF wpn: 430
    goetia:440
    titania/crafted: 450
    deepshadow: 460
    hades ex wpn: 465
    aug deepshadow: 470
    eden wpn: 475

    if they were to add another wpn where would you put it and that's even more dev time lost to making another set of weapons.
    Apparently the author wants to yeet titania weapon and replace it with a tuned down Eden weapon which will have the same model minus dye obviously
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endariel View Post
    Apparently the author wants to yeet titania weapon and replace it with a tuned down Eden weapon which will have the same model minus dye obviously
    Meaning players will either have to fork out millions of Gil to get the crafted one or wait 4 weeks before they can get one. Skill ain't gonna cut it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    I'd like to challenge that way of thinking. If you can get an IL 450 crafted weapon in zero days of grind, why would it be too generous for a normal raid to give an IL 450 weapon in four weeks of tokens. I think the main reason people disagree with proposed changes is because they are changes. If it was the opposite and the game already worked like I just described, and I was proposing that we change it to the way S-E has it set up now with weapons excluded from the normal raids loot and putting the tomestone weapon behind a token+tome system, I'd have an equally hard time convincing people of that too I'd wager.

    I don't even think it would be game-breaking if expert dungeons gave weapons, just like leveling dungeons do. They would only be IL 430, the same as all of the other Amaurotine gear the dungeon drops. What's the point? Glamor options I guess. It would make more sense in patch series than it does at the start of an expansion where you already are given an AF weapon; in that case the expert dungeon weapons would serve as help for latecomers to gear up so they can meet the minimum IL reqs to continue the main scenario without stopping to buy a crafted or tome weapon (although it's weaker than crafted/tome one).
    A crafted weapon is not 0 days of grind. It's actually a significant amount, whether it be making the amount of gil required for it or getting crafters up and geared enough for HQ. Plus like others have said there already is a "normal" weapon in the sense that there is a non savage weapon meant to help you get through savage in the form of the upcoming ex primal weapon. This normal raid weapon would just be redundant. Also later down the line there will be the relic weapon as well that will offer some diversity.
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    A crafted weapon is not 0 days of grind. It's actually a significant amount
    The process of gathering everything you need for a single crafted set is doable in less than a day. I regularly make my set + 1-2 to sell on day 1.

    You cant even say it requires getting crafters leveled, as theres plenty of people who will take your mats and some $ and make them for you, and at the time in an expansion where we can even craft it, you should already have made back the investment of leveling your crafters and gatherers many times over.

    It is certainly SIGNIFICANTLY less investment than 7 weeks and delaying 3 tomestone upgrades, which is the current cost of the normal weapons (though the window of usefulness for some of these things heavily depends on the delay in introducing the different upgrade paths for tomestone and crafted gear, and for weapons, the relic quests, since these dont happen at the same time each raid tier due to the way things get spaced). .
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    Last edited by Barraind; 09-30-2019 at 12:19 PM.

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    I just wish I didn't have to do Eden to get my 460 wep. I'm skipping that until the next weapon tier.. or get a crafted weapon, whenever the heck that becomes available.
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    I think the real answer SE leans towards is that the savage weapon models are part of their value as endgame rewards. Now I know not everyone agrees the models are "absolutely great" every single time, but their uniqueness gives them value to MOST players and I doubt SE wants to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    and what ilvl would that be???

    weathered AF wpn: 430
    goetia:440
    titania/crafted: 450
    deepshadow: 460
    hades ex wpn: 465
    aug deepshadow: 470
    eden wpn: 475

    if they were to add another wpn where would you put it and that's even more dev time lost to making another set of weapons.
    I'd assume putting it at 445 would make the most sense sense. The weapon should ABSOLUTELY not be better then the EX weapons as those fights are made to be much harder then the casual raids.
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