Normal raid weapons

[Rufalus]

Little idea about mixing up rewards. What if weapons were included in the normal mode raid rewards? Rather than tokens for the tomestone weapon, you'd have a weaker version of the actual raid weapon which cannot be dyed, the same way armor and accessory rewards are handled in normal raids. This could be obtained in just 4 weeks/tokens (7wks seems too many since Edengate wpns would only be IL 450, ten lvs less than a tome wpn, to use the current tier as an example).

Meanwhile the tomestone weapon could be obtained without any tokens, just a straight 1,000 tome purchase. The item to augment it would still drop in Savage, but the base weapon would not require savage or normal raid items. Following this change, the tome weapon would be found in the same shop category as tome armor/acc, and normal raid wpns would be in the same shop category as normal raid armor/acc, so vendors are less confusing. No more separate category on a middle npc for sorting out weapons with tokens.

As for extreme primals, the ones released at the same time as raid tiers on even numbered patches like 5.2 could drop accessories instead of weapons. Only the ones released on odd numbered patches alongside the alliance raids would still give weapon rewards (still serving as the catchup wpn for parties struggling to clear boss 4 of savage). And that's it, my little ideas for shuffling rewards a little bit.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Honestly, the fights just aren't hard enough to warrant a weapon. You'd have to make them around the difficulty of the EX fights.

[Duskane]

could just use the item the 4th floor gives instead of using it on a tome stone trade 4 in for weapon

[Crushnight]

This would invalidate every even patch EX trial weapon, which i doubt they would do, you can't make it weaker than the EX trial weapon because then what is the point(It would be 5 ilvs below which would be 5 ilvs above upgraded tomestone weapon from previous tier) and you can't make it equal or stronger to the trial weapon as you would invalidate the content.

If you were to put a timer to get the weapon(i.e. weeks to obtain) then what would be the point, there is already a tomestone one to wait on.

For people who could benefit the most from a normal raid weapon don't really need it, Ronkan would work fine and then upgrading to Deepshadow after 7 weeks would fulfill their needs if they need that ilv increase there is crafted/EX trial but unless doing savage even Deepshadow is overkill for content at lv80 right now.

[QooEr]

wouldnt really invalidate it if its weekly locked imo, but i agree that nobody would really benefit from it. savage raiders would only consider the weapon based on substats and everyone else would be fine with old tome weapons

[Rufalus]

Honestly, the fights just aren't hard enough to warrant a weapon. You'd have to make them around the difficulty of the EX fights.

I'd like to challenge that way of thinking. If you can get an IL 450 crafted weapon in zero days of grind, why would it be too generous for a normal raid to give an IL 450 weapon in four weeks of tokens. I think the main reason people disagree with proposed changes is because they are changes. If it was the opposite and the game already worked like I just described, and I was proposing that we change it to the way S-E has it set up now with weapons excluded from the normal raids loot and putting the tomestone weapon behind a token+tome system, I'd have an equally hard time convincing people of that too I'd wager.

I don't even think it would be game-breaking if expert dungeons gave weapons, just like leveling dungeons do. They would only be IL 430, the same as all of the other Amaurotine gear the dungeon drops. What's the point? Glamor options I guess. It would make more sense in patch series than it does at the start of an expansion where you already are given an AF weapon; in that case the expert dungeon weapons would serve as help for latecomers to gear up so they can meet the minimum IL reqs to continue the main scenario without stopping to buy a crafted or tome weapon (although it's weaker than crafted/tome one).

[Kuroka]

Imo yes, 6-7 tokken for the wep and like 1-2k lower tome, not the capped one, so its bount to some work and timegated. It just feels so wasted to waste 3 weeks worth of tome for one item on ONE job you cant upgrade for weeks... and honestly id be even up for just some lazy reskins of exixting stuff...

[Liam_Harper]

Honestly, the fights just aren't hard enough to warrant a weapon.

Neither is crafting right now, to be fair. And those can be overmelded, making them superior to EX weapons.

Not saying the OP has a great idea, but the difficulty of content relative to the gear you obtain is a bit off right now. Perhaps EX weapons need to be bumped up 5 ilv, or even crafted gear nerfed by 5 since everyone insists on it being faceroll to make.

[Endariel]

Yes, but actually no
If we do as you say op, what we will do of the tomestone from 2nd savage floor? by what will you replace it.
Also, i hereby dislike the idea of ex dropping accs as it will further away kill the much needed glamour options in the world of reused assets

[Kuroka]

Yes, but actually no
If we do as you say op, what we will do of the tomestone from 2nd savage floor? by what will you replace it.

How about nothing? you either get your tome/crafted/primal/random special content wep/relic or just wait for the savage one... i dont think we should consider savage raids all the time when talking about such stuff.