Dancer a bit feminine

[spurious_correlator]

I play a Hrothgar and I dig the animations. The only one I don't like is the running one, which I'd say seems... kindy dainty? It looks like he's barely holding onto the chakram between the tips of his fingers.

[Kolsykol]

I play a Hrothgar and I dig the animations. The only one I don't like is the running one, which I'd say seems... kindy dainty? It looks like he's barely holding onto the chakram between the tips of his fingers.

I didn't like the running animations either, nor the standing neutral ones.

I feel like it's a bit of a missed opportunity.
I mean, I am a Dancer right?
Why ain't I dancing :P?
Their standing stance should have them move around more imo, I think that they should look as if they're always moving and dancing unless the weapons are sheated.

[Iscah]

I didn't like the running animations either, nor the standing neutral ones.

Agreed on disliking the animations, but I would have preferred a single graceful "poised for battle" stance. The jogging on the spot is annoying and it looks like a rather stiff and uncomfortable pose to hold.

[guardin]

Considering the extreme overabundance of '' masculine dude bros '' in games, I think that you can deal with something a bit more feminine...

This is sorta like complaining that a characters boobs are '' too big '' in a game with a crap ton of characters to me.
Not every character or whatever needs to adhere to what you want, just play something else.
I dunno tho, I just find these complaints very irritating personally.
Because I don't sit around complaining just because something doesn't adhere to what I want.
I do complain when what I like is taken away and changed to pander to others, but I think that's totally different ( and because I never demand that it's done for my sake either ).

A lot of Japanese games like these are sort of an escape from that to me too, because the Western industry is so completey infested with masculinity imo.
To the point that it often feels as if femininity is demonized in the West, even by so called '' progressive '' studios and publishers.
Not saying that masculinity is bad, I am a pretty masculine guy irl and probably the furthest away from what people would expect when they see my characters and what I like in games.
But it gets very tiresome when everything is so dark and '' gruff '' in the West, and then people still complain when there's exceptions to it that it's '' not masculine enough ''.

Dancer didn't appeal to me gameplay-wise, I thought that I'd love it but I didn't.
But aesthetically and animation-wise they're amazing imo, and I wouldn't want to see them be changed just because someone wants yet another masculine character number 999999999999999999999.

this is FARRRR from true. games are now far more feminist than masculine as most people play girls and guys are scarce. i think you need to get off your high horse and respect that men have rights too. There's nothing wrong with wanting more masculinity in game when 90% of the game focuses on feminist aspects

[Kabooa]

this is FARRRR from true. games are now far more feminist than masculine as most people play girls and guys are scarce. i think you need to get off your high horse and respect that men have rights too. There's nothing wrong with wanting more masculinity in game when 90% of the game focuses on feminist aspects

Highlander, Roe, Catboy, Male Au'ra, Hrothgar.

Dark Knight, Warrior, Monk, Samurai, Dragoon.

Those that incorporate both:

Machinist, Paladin, Gunbreaker, Scholar, Summoner.

[Kolsykol]

this is FARRRR from true. games are now far more feminist than masculine as most people play girls and guys are scarce. i think you need to get off your high horse and respect that men have rights too. There's nothing wrong with wanting more masculinity in game when 90% of the game focuses on feminist aspects

What the hell are you talking about lol?
I never said that men don't have rights..................................................................

Games are not more feminine nowadays at all, especially not in the West.
Femininity is quite downplayed in the Western industry and more traditionally masculine shenanigans are pushed even on female characters because a lot of people are just performatively woke and demonize femininity as something weak and oppressive, hence why women have to look and behave more traditionally masculine in Western games,
Not saying that's wrong for those who want to do that, but I do think that there's a demonization of femininty in the West which is kinda messed up.
And Japanese games are an escape from that to a lot of us, I appreciate that the Japanese aren't as scared of femininity.

In Japan femininty in media is far more normal and okay, even amongst men.
Both men and women being more feminine or masculine is more okay in Japanese fiction.
FFXIV is pretty good with this all-around and gives a lot of options but still do align mostly with the norms still.
And I don't see the problem with Dancer being more feminine when others are more masculine.

I'd rather FFXIV be like FFXIV than to just have them reduce feminine features and put everyone into the most gender-neutral clothes ever as to not '' offend '' anyone.
I am not opposed to options tho, if people want to play a male character wearing a skirt then I think that they should be able to as well.

But I think that it's too much to ask for when people ask them to adapt animations for a job.
If they're going either way then they have to choose and you have to suck it up and deal with it.

Edit: Feminism isn't the same as femininity either lol.
The usual Twitter/Tumblerinas causing a fuss about video games are usually quite opposed to femininity and see it as oppressive and part of the patriarchy and all that.
Usually they're very young and are still figuring themselves out.

As someone who exclusively play female characters in games and prefer feminine characters I can tell you that I feel extremely excluded by most of the Western games industry.

[Brandedblade]

this is FARRRR from true. games are now far more feminist than masculine as most people play girls and guys are scarce. i think you need to get off your high horse and respect that men have rights too. There's nothing wrong with wanting more masculinity in game when 90% of the game focuses on feminist aspects

This was physically painful to read. 0/10 not enough water.

[Osmond]

Well the community have been asking for this in a somewhat way via lgbt type of thing. It'll be fine, dancer supposed to be "flexible" in their actions. It still needs a buff though in their DPS.

[AnimaAnimus]

Well the community have been asking for this in a somewhat way via lgbt type of thing.

Femininity in men is not lgbt. Grace in men is not lgbt. Expecting someone who is lgbt to have this attributes is, however, homophobic in nature. Its like saying we got mcn cause ppl wanted representation of PoC.

Gayness has nothing to do with these sort of things. The only thing you need to express being lgbt is having an attraction to the same sex - both sexes - and transitioning to the opposite sex respectively. No where in lgbt does it state that anyone has to adhere to any sort of stereotype, negative or otherwise.

The community has been asking for lgbt relationships or expression, but the last thing they need is for SE to perpetuate stereotypes because of some short sighted and ignorant view on what is lgbt. I have so many gay friends who are so tired of the assumptions they get when they tell ppl they are gay. "Oh did you watch Drag Race last night" "take me shopping" "you are my new gbff" "you play football? I thought you were gay?" believe me, there are a whole lot of gay ppl who are tired of this sort of thing. All they want is ppl to just stop with the stereotyping.

[Osmond]

Femininity in men is not lgbt. Grace in men is not lgbt. Expecting someone who is lgbt to have this attributes is, however, homophobic in nature. Its like saying we got mcn cause ppl wanted representation of PoC.

Gayness has nothing to do with these sort of things. The only thing you need to express being lgbt is having an attraction to the same sex - both sexes - and transitioning to the opposite sex respectively. No where in lgbt does it state that anyone has to adhere to any sort of stereotype, negative or otherwise.

The community has been asking for lgbt relationships or expression, but the last thing they need is for SE to perpetuate stereotypes because of some short sighted and ignorant view on what is lgbt. I have so many gay friends who are so tired of the assumptions they get when they tell ppl they are gay. "Oh did you watch Drag Race last night" "take me shopping" "you are my new gbff" "you play football? I thought you were gay?" believe me, there are a whole lot of gay ppl who are tired of this sort of thing. All they want is ppl to just stop with the stereotyping.

Ok...nice way to be triggered, but whatever. Ah well, I better be careful with my words or i'll be put on timeout...