How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[Nedkel]

Damage of tanks now will be even lower compared to DPS, just look at those all dps buffs lol.

[Niurok]

I think I as a PLD I should of been doing this kind of damage at lvl 70 endgame. Still sad when lvl 50-60 A rank mobs can still hit me with debuffs even though I outclass them by miles. Mob accuracy-DH needs to be reduced to 0% for mobs 20-30 lvls lower than a player.

[Deceptus]

Damage of tanks now will be even lower compared to DPS, just look at those all dps buffs lol.

The DPS are responsible for the majority of the DPS. Who'd have thought.

[Shurrikhan]

Damage of tanks now will be even lower compared to DPS, just look at those all dps buffs lol.

The changes are minute and the consequence of what is being changed (Damage-dealer's dps) is mostly irrelevant outside of particular thresholds. If this is where you'd have to draw the line, you've got nothing to draw it with.

[NyneSwordz]

The DPS are responsible for the majority of the DPS. Who'd have thought.

DPS have always been responsible for the majority of DPS. So I'm not sure what your point is?

[WhyAmIHere]

DPS have always been responsible for the majority of DPS. So I'm not sure what your point is?

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/10char

[Shurrikhan]

wooooosh
/10char

Doesn't that describe your situation as well?

The point was that "It's always been that way (despite allowing for slightly higher relative tank dps in the past, so why make a point of it now?)"

1. Relative tank dps seems to have declined. (Complaint with little additional information or warrant.)
2. The DPS are responsible for the majority of the DPS, so this is precedented. (Slight oversimplification)
3. DPS being responsible for the majority of the DPS didn't previously prevent tanks from having higher relative dps than they do now. (Query for the connecting point between the generalization and the case at hand.)

[BarretOblivion]

Doesn't that describe your situation as well?

The point was that "It's always been that way (despite allowing for slightly higher relative tank dps in the past, so why make a point of it now?)"

1. Relative tank dps seems to have declined. (Complaint with little additional information or warrant.)
2. The DPS are responsible for the majority of the DPS, so this is precedented. (Slight oversimplification)
3. DPS being responsible for the majority of the DPS didn't previously prevent tanks from having higher relative dps than they do now. (Query for the connecting point between the generalization and the case at hand.)

Yup that and also we get into a situation in PFs where even more pressure is on any DPS not to die. If one dies more blame is put on them now than ever. In SB/HW where tank damage was a about 12-13% each of contribution to the boss you could make the arguement of "we can help/recover". The pressure on DPS has increase, and it feels like the pressure on Tanks got moved to DPS and I would even argue Healers more since their damage scaling on bosses is much higher than SB.

[Reynhart]

The pressure on DPS has increase, and it feels like the pressure on Tanks got moved to DPS and I would even argue Healers more since their damage scaling on bosses is much higher than SB.

The main assumption on why so few players play tanks and healers is because those two roles bear too much pressure. So, it's not really a bad thing to even that a little more.

[Shurrikhan]

The main assumption on why so few players play tanks and healers is because those two roles bear too much pressure. So, it's not really a bad thing to even that a little more.

Generally agreed. Though, while I'd prefer that DPS have a larger set of responsibilities (apart from just not dying) in, say, 4-man content, I've never really felt like dps have any less effort required of them in most 8-mans content, given the increased difficulty of their rotational performance; it might not be much more than tanks', but I feel like it at least compensates for swapping in/out and popping defensives, which is about all that remains of tank-unique mechanics.