My problem with leveling up in FFXIV.

[hiedra]

The people fighting OP are not adding anything productive to this thread. Square Enix is not some struggling, indie company that needs to be white knighted. If you love a game then the best thing that you can do for it is to be open to criticism. That's how games improve. If people hadn't complained about 1.0 we would have never gotten ARR.

How OP feels about the MSQ is completely irrelevant to whether or not they should be playing FFXIV because the story is only a small portion of the game. Acting like the MSQ is the only thing this game has to offer does a huge disservice to a game that bursting with content.

To OP: don't devote every day to story quests. mix things up.
here are some things you can do on days you don't work on story:
- unlock POTD. it can get challenging once you go past the 100th floor and the rewards are good
- do roulettes, dungeons
- fight the arr extremes (the drop mounts)
- unlock the arr raids
- try out alt jobs
- check out gathering/crafting to see if you like it (crafting requires a gil investment if you dont have gatherers leveled)
- play gold saucer mini games
- collect minions
- join linkshells to make friends and help them when needed/do content with them
- check out housing

[Edax]

Square Enix is not some struggling, indie company that needs to be white knighted. If you love a game then the best thing that you can do for it is to be open to criticism.

If you don't love a game, then you should be open to the idea to the possibility that the game isn't for you. The OP has not expressed any love for FFXIV in his original post, nor has he requested any advice in it. If people continue to do thing that make them unhappy, they are going to continue to be unhappy. I've criticized Square Enix so many times on these forums already that's it's bizarre I could ever be labeled as a "white knight" for them.

[Jybril]

If you don't love a game, then you should be open to the idea to the possibility that the game isn't for you. The OP has not expressed any love for FFXIV in his original post, nor has he requested any advice in it. If people continue to do thing that make them unhappy, they are going to continue to be unhappy. I've criticized Square Enix so many times on these forums already that's it's bizarre I could ever be labeled as a "white knight" for them.

Well, I don't love this game. I like it, there are many flaws with XIV but I'm not going to say nothing here
because I can't be asked to be screamed at over my opinion tonight lol.

But OP understands the amount of text and how it's a story-driven game and he even said that's okay
but one does get very tired of going from point A to B, then go to C, back to B and A again or some crap
and just wanna get on with the meat of the story or gameplay.
I think there was a point where there was one NPC I went to...
Just for me to teleport all the way back somewhere else. For like ONE line.
Crap gets annoying with all the random filler crap and teleporting all over.
Minfilia was REALLY bad at this! It was actually probably her LOL.
(Not to mention we have Linkpearls so quit yoyoing me across the world!)

[Edax]

Well, I don't love this game. I like it, there are many flaws with XIV but I'm not going to say nothing here
because I can't be asked to be screamed at over my opinion tonight lol.

But OP understands the amount of text and how it's a story-driven game and he even said that's okay
but one does get very tired of going from point A to B, then go to C, back to B and A again or some crap
and just wanna get on with the meat of the story or gameplay. At one point, I think there was point where there was one danged line...
Just for me to teleport all the way back somewhere else.
Crap gets annoying with all the random filler crap and teleporting all over.
Minfilia was REALLY bad at this! It was actually probably her LOL.
(Not to mention we have Linkpearls so quit yoyoing me across the world!)

The genre being what it is makes me think those kind of quests will never go away, it's a core part of the RPG experience. Certainly filler is bad but going from A to B to C is how game devs get mileage out of the huge worlds they create.

[linay]

The people fighting OP are not adding anything productive to this thread.

This is a thread asking for people's opinion. Silencing opposing viewpoint is the opposite of productive.

the best thing that you can do for it is to be open to criticism. That's how games improve. If people hadn't complained about 1.0 we would have never gotten ARR.

Everyone should be open to criticism, that includes the OP. But do you really expect that a complaint about traveling and reading is meaningful? This game is filled with reading and traveling all throughout the MSQ for all expansions, not just ARR/early leveling experience, and the OP acknowledged that it's still true with Heavensward. And it's true for side quests as well, not just the MSQ.

How OP feels about the MSQ is completely irrelevant to whether or not they should be playing FFXIV because the story is only a small portion of the game. Acting like the MSQ is the only thing this game has to offer does a huge disservice to a game that bursting with content.

It's not that the MSQ is the only thing this game has to offer. It's that the MSQ is the gateway to many of the other things this game has to offer. So the OP simply has to manage their time and go through the MSQ at the pace they want.

[hiedra]

This is a thread asking for people's opinion. Silencing opposing viewpoint is the opposite of productive.

Everyone should be open to criticism, that includes the OP. But do you really expect that a complaint about traveling and reading is meaningful? This game is filled with reading and traveling all throughout the MSQ for all expansions, not just ARR/early leveling experience, and the OP acknowledged that it's still true with Heavensward. And it's true for side quests as well, not just the MSQ.

It's not that the MSQ is the only thing this game has to offer. It's that the MSQ is the gateway to many of the other things this game has to offer. So the OP simply has to manage their time and go through the MSQ at the pace they want.

Keyword: "[...] people fighting OP"

This is a public forum so of course you're free to disagree with OP, debates are healthy. That statement was directed towards the people that are derailing the thread with arguments unrelated to the topic at hand.

Anyway, OP has already stated multiple times that they don't dislike the story. They just want to get more involved. It's a valid critique. So valid, in fact, that it's been discussed in a previous live letter. It's why they're trimming down ARR for 5.3

I've already given my advice to OP so there really isn't anything else left for me to say. Hopefully it'll be of some help, if not then I hope someone else suggests something better.

[linay]

Keyword: "[...] people fighting OP"

This is a public forum so of course you're free to disagree with OP, debates are healthy. That statement was directed towards the people that are derailing the thread with arguments unrelated to the topic at hand.

It takes two sides to derail a topic. That said, the chicken comment aside, is there any other unrelated argument?

Anyway, OP has already stated multiple times that they don't dislike the story. They just want to get more involved. It's a valid critique. So valid, in fact, that it's been discussed in a previous live letter. It's why they're trimming down ARR for 5.3

I've already given my advice to OP so there really isn't anything else left for me to say. Hopefully it'll be of some help, if not then I hope someone else suggests something better.

Except I never said anything about story. Also, as I've said, the planned change for 5.3 won't affect the nature of the MSQ (and side quests) that the OP admits they don't like even in Heavensward. Even in Shadowbringers, the OP will still be doing a lot of reading and traveling and the solution will still be the same then: the OP will simply have to manage their time and do other things they like while still making sure to progress through whatever quests they need to.

So really, the OP already gets what they want out of this thread. They know some people feel the same way they do while some others don't, and they know it's up to them how they manage their time because the planned change in 5.3 is a very specific change that might not even apply to them by the time it's released.

[OhnoozeMyToes]

This is a thread asking for people's opinion. Silencing opposing viewpoint is the opposite of productive.

Everyone should be open to criticism, that includes the OP. But do you really expect that a complaint about traveling and reading is meaningful? This game is filled with reading and traveling all throughout the MSQ for all expansions, not just ARR/early leveling experience, and the OP acknowledged that it's still true with Heavensward. And it's true for side quests as well, not just the MSQ.

It's not that the MSQ is the only thing this game has to offer. It's that the MSQ is the gateway to many of the other things this game has to offer. So the OP simply has to manage their time and go through the MSQ at the pace they want.

I was just saying after working all day and only having a short amount of time it didn't feel like I was actively engaged enough. All my time spent playing was reading and traveling around to talk to people. I know it's part of an MMO but I didn't feel engaged. I was simply curious if everyone else felt the same way or if it was just me.

Whats amazing to me is that this topic has gone on for so long and that people are so attached to this game that they feel the need to defend it the way they do. It's odd to me and I would have never expected this topic to go the direction it did.

[linay]

I was just saying after working all day and only having a short amount of time it didn't feel like I was actively engaged enough. All my time spent playing was reading and traveling around to talk to people. I know it's part of an MMO but I didn't feel engaged. I was simply curious if everyone else felt the same way or if it was just me.

Sure, I understand that and you have your answer.

Whats amazing to me is that this topic has gone on for so long and that people are so attached to this game that they feel the need to defend it the way they do. It's odd to me and I would have never expected this topic to go the direction it did.

The MSQ can be a touchy subject and your thread is probably similar to past threads about it.