Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[ForteNightshade]

I'll reiterate. You don't get alliance raids coins for hunt trains and roulettes as is spelled out in the sentence after. Tomestones aren't the only currency that can be taken away. Alliance raid coins and even gear drops. A problem since the dawn of LFG is premades booting players before an upcoming desired drop, for example. Another example that requires some coverage.

You can, however, buy those coins with poetics if need be. In fact, it's typically much faster since they're dirt cheap now and the game practically throws tomes at you. It's also worth noting i260 going into Stormblood and i390 going into Shadowbringers isn't that big of a deal. You can farm the second dungeon (Shisui and Don Meng, respectively) for better gear that has a guaranteed drop.

Whether or not -I- specifically deserved a kick is irrelevant to reimbursement needed for a rampant problem. Even if I were justified to be kicked 9 out of 10 times, the other one needs coverage and it's not just me but thousands of players suffering that a week. We need some coverage for toxic PvE that's weeded out my friend's list real thin. That's why I am suggesting this and only because of GM prompting.

You keep insisting this is some rampart issue yet constantly people in this very thread of voiced they could count the kicks they've received on a single hand. Frequent kicks do not happen... unless you're actually part of the problem. So if this is a routine occurrence for you, well it's a you problem then not a game one.

[Alklios]

dude your original post is literally you complaining about how you got kicked, how crystal DC is terrible and how you demand to be compensated for the effort you put into the dungeon. now you want to turn this topic around on how the system is being used? please stop playing the victim and using that as a scapegoat. you suddenly are trying to turn it into a topic on GMs and it's rules when you realized how everyone is against your decisions, your complaint. and your lack of sources/explanation of the scenario when everyone was spitting facts at you.

this entire thread is literally about YOU because you made it about YOU. not about the GMs and their system.

If you can't find the thesis among the personal experience, that's a you problem on not reading.

I'll edit and trim it all off just for you, and the party involved, that seem to want to focus on assuming intent and going into aggro derail mode. Maybe can get some decent discussion then.

[Arcian]

Okay. Since you keep complaining about how we're not following The Rules to your liking, I'll just address the initial topic of your thread:

Your proposal sounds entitled and so do you.

[Alklios]

Okay. Since you keep complaining about how we're not following The Rules to your liking, I'll just address the initial topic of your thread:

Your proposal sounds entitled and so do you.

You're free to disagree with the GM that asked me to do this. And rules are rules whether to liking or not. I don't see it as entitled for at least keeping the tomes I earned from bosses cleared, work performed. This was a compromise I'd already suggested.

Players shouldn't get to decide if I or anyone get reward for effort. Especially not ones moody, volatile, and not team players that turn a disagreeing discussion to an abuse of feature. Keep text to text, don't take it one step further. I've not had this kick-frenzy in any other MMO or FF14 before data center rolls, I suppose due to that there was more heterogenity of people thinking that progressing the dungeon was more important than throwing a tantrum and kicking someone to sit and twiddle thumbs for 5-10 minutes for tank/healer.

Players are more volatile than ever. I highly suggest some protection of the fallout at least through PvE.

[Noitems]

Me. Stop making it about. Me.

All I care about is to hear the pros or cons of having a system, and that's as little as a fourth of the content posted here. Now I am being blamed

If you started this thread going into detail of what ACTUALLY happened to get you vote kicked, instead of being absolutely vague on the concept and name dropping an entire Data Center then more people here would be showing sympathy for you. However you worded your post as an individual account (so we can relate to you) and then tried making it a broader statement. Problem is by not actually explaining (even now with so multiple people asking why) you're hurting your entire argument and making yourself look like a clown.

There are threads you can have this general conversation in, but the way you worded your first post and the domino effect it's having is not giving YOU any credibility. Going back and editing it didn't change a thing except make you look worse by comparison when the post history for quotes tells a different story.

[HyoMinPark]

Whether or not -I- specifically deserved a kick is irrelevant to reimbursement needed for a rampant problem. Even if I were justified to be kicked 9 out of 10 times, the other one needs coverage and it's not just me but thousands of players suffering that a week. We need some coverage for toxic PvE that's weeded out my friend's list real thin. That's why I am suggesting this and only because of GM prompting.

How can you prove that this problem is rampant? How can you prove that it affects thousands of players? You have nothing but anecdotes—and some of these anecdotes are likely not even entirely truthful in nature. You have no actual statistics of the amount of legitimate kicks versus the amount of abusive kicks.

Do you know what the GMs and the developers have? Statistics. They can see how many vote dismissals are deemed abusive or not, and can choose to act or make an announcement if they find it swinging towards the former. Considering they have never made any comments about how there’s an excess of abusive kicks compared to legitimate ones, it’s likely not as rampant as you are saying it is.

And your dismissal is very relevant when you made a big deal of making it the very first thing you mentioned in your opening post. You making this suggestion is completely selfish in nature. Don’t act like it’s not. You were kicked from a dungeon, got mad about it, and came here to demand that you be compensated tomestones when the GMs told you that they wouldn’t compensate you for something you didn’t earn. Please don’t try to act like this thread was made out of concern for those poor, unfortunate souls who are victims of abusive vote dismissals. This thread was started out of concern for yourself and no one else.

Editing your opening post to try and save face doesn’t help you. It only hurts you.

[Alklios]

If you started this thread going into detail of what ACTUALLY happened to get you vote kicked, instead of being absolutely vague on the concept and name dropping an entire Data Center then more people here would be showing sympathy for you. However you worded your post as an individual account (so we can relate to you) and then tried making it a broader statement. Problem is by not actually explaining (even now with so multiple people asking why) you're hurting your entire argument and making yourself look like a clown.

There are threads you can have this general conversation in, but the way you worded your first post and the domino effect it's having is not giving YOU any credibility. Going back and editing it didn't change a thing except make you look worse by comparison when the post history for quotes tells a different story.

I readily welcome people to view the quotes as was mentioned already. The server callout means nothing for me being on Balmung, it's obviously under my character's picture

Once again idc on sympathy or not and it's starting to disturb me that's people's primary motivation apparently for posting anything here. I want rational debate over this concept and alternative suggestions breaking it down. So far it's only been minor points which I've already responded to by comparisons to other MMOs providing this service and recommending that FF14 do it to remain competitive.

Again, idk why all of you are concerned over sympathy and thumbs up. There's a problem, we need to find ways to abate it. You don't want to believe there's a problem? Compare old Q times to the mentioned data center b/f and after the server drops, reflecting how many people (and many of my friends) left the toxicity using their free server hop they didn't consider before.

[Alklios]

How can you prove that this problem is rampant? How can you prove that it affects thousands of players? You have nothing but anecdotes—and some of these anecdotes are likely not even entirely truthful in nature. You have no actual statistics of the amount of legitimate kicks versus the amount of abusive kicks.

Do you know what the GMs and the developers have? Statistics. They can see how many vote dismissals are deemed abusive or not, and can choose to act or make an announcement if they find it swinging towards the former. Considering they have never made any comments about how there’s an excess of abusive kicks compared to legitimate ones, it’s likely not as rampant as you are saying it is.

And your dismissal is very relevant when you made a big deal of making it the very first thing you mentioned in your opening post. You making this suggestion is completely selfish in nature. Don’t act like it’s not. You were kicked from a dungeon, got mad about it, and came here to demand that you be compensated tomestones when the GMs told you that they wouldn’t compensate you for something you didn’t earn. Please don’t try to act like this thread was made out of concern for those poor, unfortunate souls who are victims of abusive vote dismissals. This thread was started out of concern for yourself and no one else.

Editing your opening post to try and save face doesn’t help you. It only hurts you.

If that's the image you want to paint, you may. That someone is crazy enough to go through all this trouble to get a pity party which is irrelevant. I've never seen the words 'Aelfred deserves reimbursement and none else.' You're so confident with painting a picture to derail the thesis, the literal title of the thread which contains no 'I' statement, into something to make it easier to attack the individual and create a flood of ad-hominems.

The developers have statistics on it being a problem and any google check shows it being a historical problem. They have the statistics, and either have decided not to help out these victims or haven't considered it, which I assume the latter due to the repeat of the GM encouraging my post here. It's been my stance honestly for awhile, I only bothered to come here because they suggested it. If I just was enraged and prompted it here at the first time, I would have posted this thread years ago.

Please stop this. I just want people to consider the thread title, even if I have to make the first post blank from hereon to stop derailing it with all the assumed intents. Blank as hell, just for people to digest the raw bones of title.

[HyoMinPark]

Again, idk why all of you are concerned over sympathy and thumbs up.

I always love when this argument shows up. Does it honestly surprise people that some of us don’t give a flying flip about virtual internet points? If I was after karma, I’d go post Miqo’te fanart on the subreddit. But instead I’m here.

There's a problem, we need to find ways to abate it.

What problem? You mean the one that you can’t actually prove is as pervasive as you’re saying it is? Or the one where you didn’t get your tomestones? Because your motivation for this thread had nothing to do with others getting wrongfully dismissed and everything with you demanding compensation.

You don't want to believe there's a problem? Compare old Q times to the mentioned data center b/f and after the server drops, reflecting how many people (and many of my friends) left the toxicity using their free server hop they didn't consider before.

The Crystal servers had perfectly fine queues when it was still a part of Aether. Are you trying to imply otherwise? What are you even implying here?

As for why so many supposedly left Crystal: quite a few moved to Aether because we’re the raid-heavy NA data center and they wanted to raid. I know a raiding FC of Balmung moved off and settled on Jenova purely for raiding. Not because of this “toxicity”.

If that's the image you want to paint, you may. That someone is crazy enough to go through all this trouble to get a pity party which is irrelevant. I've never seen the words 'Aelfred deserves reimbursement and none else.' You're so confident with painting a picture to derail the thesis, the literal title of the thread which contains no 'I' statement, into something to make it easier to attack the individual and create a flood of ad-hominems.

Please stop this. I just want people to consider the thread title, even if I have to make the first post blank from hereon to stop derailing it with all the assumed intents. Blank as hell, just for people to digest the raw bones of title.

Your thread title was lost when you spent the first half of your original post ranting about your own dismissal, my dude.

I’ve already addressed your suggestion multiple times. But to placate you, here it is again: this isn’t a necessary feature and I think the GMs can find better uses of their time. You cannot prove that this problem is as pervasive as you claim.

The developers have statistics on it being a problem and any google check shows it being a historical problem. They have the statistics, and either have decided not to help out these victims or haven't considered it, which I assume the latter due to the repeat of the GM encouraging my post here. It's been my stance honestly for awhile, I only bothered to come here because they suggested it. If I just was enraged and prompted it here at the first time, I would have posted this thread years ago.

These are anecdotes. Do you understand what anecdotes are? They aren’t facts. They aren’t statistics.

[Alklios]

Your thread title was lost when you spent the first half of your original post ranting about your own dismissal, my dude.

You can call a personal experience a rant if you want. Seeing no name callouts and no derogitory comments thrown probably weakens that argument.

If you give up a thread title for a few sentences of an introduction of problem, the reading problem may lie with you.

I at least make the suggestion so they can tie it with their data and see if its a possible solution or any level of compromise afterward would help.