Lopsided reports?

[Shougun]

Just wanted to add a personal experience where I reported a person who wasn't playing in PvP (ended with 0 0 0 0 stats, was there the entire time), and also was fanning flames and saying some fairly rude things. In the report I said that there was some heat thrown around too, but the purpose of the report was because they admitted in chat that they were actively leeching (no intention to play, just afk and get free exp).

When I was contacted by the GM they asked me if I had said anything to them before they investigate. I asked them if I should have and they said no they just wanted to make sure I wanted this to be investigated and if I had said something bad that I could be punished too.

So I just wanted to add that event for OP/thread, that they can punish the reporting person based on what they see in the logs. Though they're not going to tell you what they did to the person you reported (sometimes I imagine it's just a little note on the account for future GMs to reference when weighing the scales).

[LeonDalmasca]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
But do you realize how dumb it is? It doesn't matter how badly used is a skill, unless you're ruining content, you shouldn't be banned for using any of your skill. Including rescue.

Edit: While without any doubt I won't interact with the community in game anymore as I've used to, that's just a really wrong thing and mindset to have.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

There's no mention of using rescue in a troll way. Yet it falls here after "researching it":
■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

In short, as I said on my "tip post" you can literally get offended even by a person digiting your name wrong and still report him and be considered as a nuisance, its all on how much it offended you. That's what GM cares about. It doesn't matter the gravity of the thing. You're gonna get 2 warning 10 day 20 day and perma. For how much banter it was I still did lowkey racism, yet a warning because that was my second time getting jailed. Now using rescue once, or twice if we count the accident one. Griefing or not, that's in no way a really bannable offense. I was using a skill but since he got offended, while arguably done worse and said very bad stuff, and I did not get offended by a 12 years old in internet I'm the only one getting punished here.

Edit N2. Since I didn't felt to make another post as this is the top of the page will still get visibility. I'm going to sleep and on the next week I'm going to camp in mountain for fun and without internet, since I can do it and I'm banned (unless the appeal work, but best case scenario they'll just reduce it to the 3 day in their "punishment escalation", which gonna just mean instead of 7 days i'll come back in 3.). Have a good days and remember to not do much, since if user A will feel insulted about what you just did he has all the rights to report you, and getting you punished. As enforced into Nuisance behaviour.

[HyoMinPark]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

No, what they’re saying is using a skill in a retaliatory manner is what’s punishable. You probably weren’t punished for the first one as it was an honest mistake on your part and no words had been passed between you and the opposing player—but when you did it again after the player in question had said something about it, the GMs could interpret your second Rescue as a retaliatory action. Especially if the player had told you not to Rescue them but you did it anyway. You should have just not responded to the insult. That’s what dustytome is saying.

[Jybril]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

Well since it was pointed out by Dusty...This was a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right".
You first pulled him accidentally, he retaliated and said stop, and you continued to poke the bear and that's what happened.
GM's saw the text of him telling you to stop and you didn't so the concluded that from there.

I hope you told the guy at first it was an accident so he knew that. That could have saved your skin, and you not
retaliating would too ultimately. You all should have kicked him and stuff right after the 1st R word tbh.
I'm not saying what he did was right, and I also hope you all reported him too but yeah...
Do try and be careful, 3 strikes already and you're probably cutting it close with a permaban here.

[LeonDalmasca]

Well since it was pointed out by Dusty...This was a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right".
You first pulled him accidentally, he retaliated and said stop, and you continued to poke the bear and that's what happened.
GM's saw the text of him telling you to stop and you didn't so the concluded that from there.

I hope you told the guy at first it was an accident so he knew that. That could have saved your skin, and you not
retaliating would too ultimately. You all should have kicked him and stuff right after the 1st R word tbh.
I'm not saying what he did was right, and I also hope you all reported him too but yeah...
Do try and be careful, 3 strikes already and you're probably cutting it close with a permaban here.

Its kinda hard to answer with the phone and an app browser. But re-read, as I said he never said stop.
Plus it's starting to get into a discussion which was the first thing I said to avoid. This is not up for discussion you can either agree or not, it doesn't change that my account is banned. So discussing it is kinda dumb. Everyone else in that party agree'd already that was the dumbest reason to ban someone and that's what matters the most to me at least. As I also said, I know what "YOU" guys, forum people, was gonna say furthermore blocking on the start any discussion about it. It is hard for people to read I see. Harder than me keeping the calm after a whole day in the woods and reading stuff from my phone pointing out not one, not two but three post in like 5 new ones, stuff that I specified said that did not happen. Like Him telling me to stop or me killing him with Rescue, (No please enlight me on how someone can die on MSQ where AoE's deals 200 dmg). Anyway, As I predicted since the first post, white knight guys are white knight, how did I knew? Well i was on this side where it is really "hard to believe" that certain stuff happened for real, till you find yourself into that situation. Well it matters not, though. Anything we gonna say or do it won't matters a bit. So I'd suggest you to drop it, because no offense, I didn't want to discuss it anyway but if you really think that rescuing someone far from the group after he called me Retarded, watch out not asked me to stop, just flame. But still being in a faulty position which could justify the rescue use anyway. Then there's no real need to discuss with people that are obviously there to enforce their faulty view of the things upon words and facts I never wrote. I doubt i'd check the forum again in the next 6 days i'm out.

[HyoMinPark]

Its kinda hard to answer with the phone and an app browser. But re-read, as I said he never said stop.
Plus it's starting to get into a discussion which was the first thing I said to avoid. This is not up for discussion you can either agree or not, it doesn't change that my account is banned. So discussing it is kinda dumb. Everyone else in that party agree'd already that was the dumbest reason to ban someone and that's what matters the most to me at least. As I also said, I know what "YOU" guys, forum people, was gonna say furthermore blocking on the start any discussion about it. It is hard for people to read I see. Harder than me keeping the calm after a whole day in the woods and reading stuff from my phone pointing out not one, not two but three post in like 5 new ones, stuff that I specified said that did not happen. Like Him telling me to stop or me killing him with Rescue, (No please enlight me on how someone can die on MSQ where AoE's deals 200 dmg). Anyway, As I predicted since the first post, white knight guys are white knight, how did I knew? Well i was on this side where it is really "hard to believe" that certain stuff happened for real, till you find yourself into that situation. Well it matters not, though. Anything we gonna say or do it won't matters a bit. So I'd suggest you to drop it, because no offense, I didn't want to discuss it anyway but if you really think that rescuing someone far from the group after he called me Retarded, watch out not asked me to stop, just flame. But still being in a faulty position which could justify the rescue use anyway. Then there's no real need to discuss with people that are obviously there to enforce their faulty view of the things upon words and facts I never wrote. I doubt i'd check the forum again in the next 6 days i'm out.

If this is in reference to my posts—I literally said “Not saying this is what necessarily happened”.

[KageTokage]

Virtually anything can be considered griefing if it's annoying somebody judging from the claims I've seen people making around here.

I think the proper thing to do there would've been to just vote kick the guy if he wasn't participating.

Not saying you deserved that punishment in the slightest, but it's still ill-advised to keep doing something that provokes someone with how touchy the GMs can be coupled with them being biased towards the reporter over the reportee.

[Enla]

Virtually anything can be considered griefing if it's annoying somebody judging from the claims I've seen people making around here.

I think the proper thing to do there would've been to just vote kick the guy if he wasn't participating.

Not saying you deserved that punishment in the slightest, but it's still ill-advised to keep doing something that provokes someone with how touchy the GMs can be coupled with them being biased towards the reporter over the reportee.

This. Heck, even here on the forums the GM's prioritize the reporter over the reportee. There's been at least two incidents during my time here, that I know of, where a rather vile poster was allowed to get away with utter nonsense but somehow managed to get a good chunk of the forum regulars banned for two weeks simple for disagreeing with them. Said poster however wasn't touched and their inflammatory thread was left alone until people just stopped adding fuel to the fire. Then there's a certain 'Gate' incident of which the first incident just made me lose a lot of respect for the GM's that administer the forums. (Second time it happened it was understandable as there had been a precedent set, first time there was none.)

Given how often it's happened, both in game and not, I have to wonder if it's just straight up company policy to only believe the initial reporter without going over the logs. Or if the initial reporter gets a pass so long as they are the first one seen. It honestly wouldn't surprise me. It certainly seems to be the case for the forums.

[KageTokage]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue pestering.

Most MMOs I've played require someone to doggedly persistent about pestering somebody before it becomes actionable and for the offended to actually make it clear to the offender that it's bothering them. XIV on the other hand seems to love defending overly thin-skinned players who can't take so much as a single instance of perceived harassment before they report somebody.

[Dustytome]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue "harassment".

Most MMOs I've played require someone to doggedly persistent about pestering somebody before it becomes actionable.

I would agree with that, if the account didn't have marks against it already. He stated this wasn't his first time being reprimanded, it would be his third. If it were his first I think a warning would have been perfectly acceptable.