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  1. #11
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    DioK's Avatar
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    Dio Kusanagi
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    This is for Frontline right? In this case Bard is at a good position of backroll DPS. I am not saying you but common mistake of a lot Bard players is to place themselves into Tank’s charge distance. A lot of Bard (other range jobs included) ofthen stand with their front roll teammates and got charged by enemy tank and got focus fire to death because of enemy call sign.

    This is the mistake of player that didn’t maximize Bard’s strength, not job’s design issue.
    I did say that bard needs the ENTIRE TEAM standing in front of it in order to survive, and that only works so long as the enemy melee doesn't dive the backline, which every premade team does. In my experience, when a bunch of melee dive the backline, interestingly, their first target is NOT the healer, it's the easy-to-kill bard who has no defense and no ability to actually run away, because that's a quick way for the melee to rank up their battle high.
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  2. #12
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    Divinemights's Avatar
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    No, it is not the Bard only, it is all of the range jobs. This is common after 4.5. Both Meele and Tanks now have 30% damage reduction. This makes any range that mindless stand at front an easy prey. It is really not just the Bard.
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  3. #13
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Cuchulainn
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I just hope they buff our limit break in it. Why does ours do so much less dmg compared to the others. I hit one with it take 25% of normal dps hp but casters can one hit you at full hp same with the melee class. Other casters limit break hit me for 12,693 dmg.
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    Last edited by hynaku; 10-02-2019 at 07:06 PM.

  4. #14
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    I just hope they buff our limit break in it. Why does ours do so much less dmg compared to the others. I hit one with it take 25% of normal dps hp but casters can one hit you at full hp same with the melee class. Other casters limit break hit me for 12,693 dmg.
    Ranged LB is actually stronger in PvP then caster LB (6000 potency vs. 4000).

    I'm not sure how a caster LB could actually hit that hard unless certain buffs/debuff like Battle Fever actually affect it contrary to what the description states.
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  5. #15
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Cuchulainn
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    Reaper Lv 100
    So wonder if one caster was using damage cheats then. Like the ninja other day that could attack you but every time target them said invalid target. If they are using them they need to fix it.
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  6. #16
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    Divinemights's Avatar
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Leviathan
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    Ninja Lv 100
    There are abilities to neutralize/reduce limit break damage, it is all about the timing. There are also abilities increase target’s damage intake, including The limit break
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  7. #17
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    Owa Owa
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    Odin
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    I just hope they buff our limit break in it. Why does ours do so much less dmg compared to the others. I hit one with it take 25% of normal dps hp but casters can one hit you at full hp same with the melee class. Other casters limit break hit me for 12,693 dmg.
    There is no way a caster LB is going to hit you for 12693, even with blood for blood active, a bunch of damage up and deep into culling that'd be a stretch. Also you forget every person you hit with velo takes 25% less healing. Considering the lack of AoE healing currently in the game, that can be absolutely devasting, the bigger issue with range LB is the buggy line. Should have a choice between firing it in a specific direction or at the target.
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  8. #18
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Does blood for blood actually boost LB damage?

    I've seen other people saying the only things that powers it up are effects that not manually triggered by the player like battle high/soaring or the damage buff you get from being at the train station in Hidden Gorge.
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  9. #19
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    Ninja Lv 100
    If trick attack does stack with shadow fang, you should be able to figure out how entire damage boost/reduction system works by yourself
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  10. #20
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I already tried melee LB with both Trick Attack and Shadow Fang active and it still did the usual 10K damage.

    I didn't try it with Blood for Blood, but I suppose it would be easy enough to test.

    EDIT: Nope. Blood for Blood doesn't work either, so I guess neither player-applied damage buffs nor vulnerability debuffs influence it.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 10-03-2019 at 09:30 PM.

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