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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    But not Original Scatter. 3/3 Mana with a 30% chance of 7/7 extra yielded an average of 5.1/5.1 Mana per cast, which once put it as our highest yield short-cast spell (and would put it worth using in single-target if Enhanced popped before then -- which could be kind of an interesting proc now that I think of it, actually, if it buffed Jolt but was procced by other spells).
    Wrong. The average per cast was 4.05/4.05 per GCD because Enhanced Scatter could not proc itself. It alternated between a guaranteed 3/3 on one GCD and an average of 5.1/5.1 on the second for an overall average of 4.05/4.05 per GCD. This is less than even the weakest Verspell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    While you are right that Veraero/Verthunder have always generated more Mana per cast than Red spells, the important thing is that before now there also were no long-cast Red spells, which the new Impact outright defies.
    It's a curiosity, then, both that a tradeoff for the greater potency per cast is a reduced Mana income (which is not something we face in the main rotation), and that our AoE quickcasts generate more Mana per cast than Jolt.

    As I said, unnecessary and largely fueled by personal opinion, I just think it's strange and slightly weakens the impact of... well, Impact.
    You're completely ignoring Verflare/holy into Scorch which is the identical situation to the AoE rotation. Also, if Impact doing almost twice the damage of Verthunder/aero 2 isn't impactful enough for you then I don't know what to say. It makes complete sense that mana type focused spells generate more mana because of that focus and the generalist spells don't. It's practically a trope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Wrong. The average per cast was 4.05/4.05 per GCD because Enhanced Scatter could not proc itself. It alternated between a guaranteed 3/3 on one GCD and an average of 5.1/5.1 on the second for an overall average of 4.05/4.05 per GCD. This is less than even the weakest Verspell.
    Enhanced Scatter could proc itself.
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    Archwizard Drake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    because Enhanced Scatter could not proc itself.
    You either are misinformed or must've had bad luck, 'cuz it frequently procced itself as Kabooa said. My calculations remain intact.

    And even if it didn't, I'm fairly certain your math is incorrect.

    You're completely ignoring Verflare/holy into Scorch which is the identical situation to the AoE rotation.
    You're right, because Scorch is a very new addition that doesn't actually change anything I said about never having had longcast Red spells before, making it nonsequitur to my actual point.
    Besides, if we peel apart Verflare/holy then that leaves the question of whether their procs come into the equation, which splits their total value over two GCDs; I don't want to start that debate, which is why I left them out.

    Also, if Impact doing almost twice the damage of Verthunder/aero 2 isn't impactful enough for you then I don't know what to say.
    But that's part of what I mean though -- we get more damage out but we also slow down our Moulinet rotation at the same time. Only by 0.5 Mana per GCD on average, which is tolerable, but still noticeable when generating such small amounts to begin with.

    And again... I said it was just personal opinion about the "feel" of the job. There is no functional need to debate this, unless it personally offends your headcanon.
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