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  1. #51
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    Dirwen's Avatar
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    Never once used Rescue on my healer jobs as the only times it was used on me were from trolls. I am with the camp that says do away with it as I see no real use especially with getting it to work right with bad connections and such.

    If rescue worked for the shadowbringer dungeon to get across that one empty floor mechanic then yea it would be useful but otherwise nope.
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  2. #52
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    Billythepancake's Avatar
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirwen View Post
    Never once used Rescue on my healer jobs as the only times it was used on me were from trolls. I am with the camp that says do away with it as I see no real use especially with getting it to work right with bad connections and such.

    If rescue worked for the shadowbringer dungeon to get across that one empty floor mechanic then yea it would be useful but otherwise nope.
    In a few savage fights rescue is actually mandatory for some strats (see: o12s and unreal strat) it also has a use for melee DPS that just used LB to get them out of the animation lock faster so they can get back to DPSing. So to say it has no use outside of trolling is wrong. Maybe it's not as useful as it should be, because server ticks are honestly ass in this game, but it does have its uses.
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  3. #53
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    Dirwen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    In a few savage fights rescue is actually mandatory for some strats (see: o12s and unreal strat) it also has a use for melee DPS that just used LB to get them out of the animation lock faster so they can get back to DPSing. So to say it has no use outside of trolling is wrong. Maybe it's not as useful as it should be, because server ticks are honestly ass in this game, but it does have its uses.
    I don't do savage so didn't know about that as yea I agree animation locks can suck.
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  4. #54
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Hmmm.... Rescue messed up your rotation? Dragged you into an AoE? Maybe even killed you?

    Ohh, I wonder many times DPS have forced me to use a CD on them instead of the tank? Put their AoE on top of me? Killed me?

    Trust me, other players make me do things I don't want to ALL the time. Rescue is one of those things you simply have to deal with when you queue up with randoms. Also note that a healer might Rescue you to save their own butt. I've done this countless times when I need someone to stack with me, and you can best believe me avoiding a KO status is more important than your deeps.
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  5. #55
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    YojimboM's Avatar
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    Jack Rose
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    This would be the equivalent of removing the skill from the game. WoW doesn't have such a thing and never has for its rescue-equivalent and it does fine.

    Just because you feel you don't need it, doesn't mean a 'disable assistance' button should exist, as it would simply lead to people who are much worse players than you ending up standing in AoEs and the only way the healer can get them out of the AoE doesn't work because they felt the need to use that option. And then the healer has to use their mp to raise the person...all in all, such an option does more harm than good. And at a time where healers have so few options to do their job to begin with, you want to take away another option from them?

    There's also advanced tactics like using rescue to get DPS out of limit break animation lock, which would completely go away...

    Instead, if you feel you are being griefed by healers, then you should perhaps use the report feature the game offers instead of making a thread like this. Healers get griefed by tanks and dps all the time, report them, and move on.
    Reporting does nothing. I've reported multiple healers abusing it in actual abuse situations (using it on purpose after I asked them not to), and I see them in DF later because nothing happened.

    Using Rescue to cancel DPS limit break animation is a pre-planned maneuver 99% of the time. Any intelligent uses of Rescue would still be there for group play since you can turn it back on.

    "And at a time where healers have so few options to do their job to begin with, you want to take away another option from them?" I have no idea where this is coming from. Healers are stronger than ever. It is mathematically incorrect to say anything different. Healers have been given stronger heals potency-for-potency across the board, with WHM even being blatantly and heavily overtuned. No amount of "options" will save someone from stupid, so if someone getting hit by AOEs is such a big issue then do it the old fashioned way and let them die and don't raise them until it's convenient for you. They probably aren't contributing enough to the party otherwise to need to be alive anyways.
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  6. #56
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    YojimboM's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    I've never seen this in my 6 years on this game. Can't be that common?
    Yes, this happens. Not incredibly frequently, but ignore marks as a form of harassment are very common in PVP mainly and I've seen it used in alliance roulette many times over the years. I've seen it happen to both others and myself.
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  7. #57
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    Kobalos's Avatar
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    Narukai Nephilim
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Only time I use it is to grief my boyfriend XD
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    “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”

    ― Oscar Wilde

  8. #58
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Hmmm.... Rescue messed up your rotation? Dragged you into an AoE? Maybe even killed you?

    Ohh, I wonder many times DPS have forced me to use a CD on them instead of the tank? Put their AoE on top of me? Killed me?

    Trust me, other players make me do things I don't want to ALL the time. Rescue is one of those things you simply have to deal with when you queue up with randoms. Also note that a healer might Rescue you to save their own butt. I've done this countless times when I need someone to stack with me, and you can best believe me avoiding a KO status is more important than your deeps.
    Can't agree more.
    I have to deal with people killing me because of MUH DEEPS, forcing me to blow oGCDs on them when they would've been more important later on, forcing me to ST heal them because they stood out of range for aoe heals or even have to run after them, they will have to deal with healers pulling them into their bubbles and stack markers.
    If I see a tank dancing around right outside my Earthly Star, I will pull them inside.
    If I see someone ignoring my stack marker though I positioned myself nicely, I will pull them inside.
    If I see someone about to get killed by a mechanic, I will pull them to a safe spot.
    If I see someone using LB, I will pull them out of animation lock.
    If I see someone standing at the other end of the goddamn planet, I will pull them closer to the group.
    Is it annoying for them? Probably.
    But they could just... you know... not stand in bad/ at the end of the world/ outside of stack markers. I prefer mildly annoying them over my own death/ their death.

    Oh and I admit, I also use it to troll my friends. Because that just never gets old. Let's see which comes first: their knockback immunity or my Rescue. (:
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  9. #59
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    Erendis's Avatar
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    E'renndis Harper
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    Moogle
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    They can't get rid of it.
    Minor ShB spoilers:
    It's in a cutscene now!
    NPCs are still castin stoneskin though...

    On topic. I used resque twice maybe? Last time was at Aglaope when I noticed confuzzeled tank running to deathly song. Except the other healer used it a milisecond earlier so tank got ping ponged around /facepalm...
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    Last edited by Erendis; 09-20-2019 at 11:21 PM.

  10. #60
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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I've used Rescue more times in ShB already than the entirety of SB.

    My usual cases of Rescue in ShB so far:
    1.Final boss of 71 dungeon double just over half room cleaves you get hit by 1 i will rescue you to safe side(you already lost dps due to being knocked up)
    2.all bosses of 75 dungeon each and every one i've had to rescue people to safety sometimes wish it had a shorter cd >_>, Last boss more if i see you don't prevent knockback.
    3.Titania ex vines just to allow the melee to keep as much uptime as possible

    Then you have the myriad of people who run away with stack markers or worse run from me when i have it (your above level 70 you should know the marker by now), the people who just don't move for anything and the people who troll with mechanics for their own amusement.

    Has Rescue been misused by people, oh yea, always going to be bad apples at points, i still remember you hlr who rescued me as i was about to technical finish to the far edge of platform where no else was (and then proceeded to not use a single dps spell was icing on that sundae) but doesn't mean the skill needs to be removed or have an opt in system else every skill that interacts with a party member should.
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    Guy butt is best butt <3

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