Thread: NIN in 5.1

BITS IM HAPPY ABOUT:
-TCJ being hasted by effectively 1.5 seconds

-Charged ninjutsu means no more losing casts to late tcj or kassatsu, our cast windows are way more flexible and we effectively will gain a whole nother ninjutsu cats every minute and a half because of this.

-because of the jutsu move to gcd, AND the shadowfang move to GCD, alignments are much simpler to maintain with trick, even bunshin at 90 seconds will align better.

-looks like suiton got a potency buff. This + ninki costs cut down to 50, and gauge kept at 100 AND gains switched to 5 per wpnsk +5 if bunshin WITH the change to meisui too its now very likely simpler mentally to get a potency gain from and might even just be used on cooldown.

-SkS is okay ish now and cant cause misalignment!

-our 400s long rotation is now much simpler and there is less big brain math think involved in any ninki manipulator skill.

-bunshin can now be meshed with tcj windows without a potency loss.

THINGS UNSURE ABOUT:
-I dont know that ill like the gcd mudra system. Its acceptable speed wise, but learning weaves properly is gonna get weird. Ill be 100% happy with it if SkS effects its .5 and 1.5 cooldowns. If it doesn't ill be a a little sad.

-additionally this likely means much less cpm and i liked the speed of the ninja a lot. Burst phase and opener were super fun.

-difficulty is in my opinion definitely decreasing which i dont like.

-dbl weaving might be dead. I like dbl weaving.

-despite ninki free up there will now be incentive to try to pool resource so as to get 3 bhavacakras in a trick. Bunshin before. Tcj meisui, mug, and basic attack gain could allow this. Our burst window might be painful to optimize. Gonna be fun tho.

THINGS I DISLIKE AND AM SCARED ABOUT:

-balance could be trash. This is effectively far more changes than we got when shadowbringers dropped. We might be crazy OP. We also might be crazy weak.

-less blade play. Less standard gcd. Sf being removed from the combo.

-That said removing SF from the basic combo had some positives, but it also has some serious drawbacks in the tune of how interesting our gcd combos are now, and how lame it will be to have a dot thats effectively just a cooldown that shouldn't be used before downtime phase changes....

-more time spent ninjutsuing, less time stabby slash slash. I dont play NIN to be naruto. Some do tho I guess.

-bunshin is less tied to SkS because of charges. Ninki gain is still tied to it tho.

-if mudra casts as weaponskill monks may want us to pad their dps by intentionally bunny spamming mudra. (*EDIT: I mean to pad monk logs not to actually clear fights, of course this would be a potency loss, but its similar to RDMs spamming un-enhanced melee attacks during brotherhood so the monk does more dps.) Either way mnk synergy would increase.
-if mudra and ninjutsu is not a weaponskill at all our synergy with monks may drastically decrease as our GCDs come out slower.
-but mnk is changing too so who knows.


THINGS IM SAD ABOUT:
-general decrease in difficulty, but more mathematical holding of abilites for the trick burst. I kinda prefered the meisui-brain oGCD filled quick dbl weave style of the current iteration. It may be more oGCD heavy now than ever before in BURST windows... but Im very worried that outside of burst we are gonna be mostly sitting on 1-2-3 combos with a slower less weavy jutsu now and again.

Originally Posted by 0Lime

I don't really know how to digest these ninja changes. All I wanted was a fix for mudra lag. The no positional requirement on TA is cool too I guess, but we already have true north to solve the problem of not being able to TA on the rear for whatever reason. I wasn't watching too clearly, but I think Shadow Fang is no longer part of a combo? If so that's okay, but it seems like all these "QoL" changes will make the job very easy to play, not that it already wasn't.

Shadow Fang is a non-combo DoT, Armor Crush was conspicuously absent from every bar.