Thread: NIN in 5.1

For sure Ninja needed changes but that list and of the the potency increases.. damn

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I love the Ten Chi Jin change, but the mudra change I am a bit iffy about. It feels very slow and a bit clunky to me atm.

My thoughts exactly. TCJ feels buttery smooth. Ninjutsu? Anything but. I'd have much preferred a psuedo-GCD (thus allowing queuing to bypass ping's uptime cost up to 250 ms ping--as opposed to oGCDs, which always have an uptime cost of twice your ping) that scales with SkS.

These fixed GCD timers are just so counterintuitive... They got rid of it for Tsubame-Gaeshi and Flamethrower (not that the latter matters, in that it still server-ticks), and applied the same scaling to Meditate and Anatman GCDs, so why did that leave Ninjutsu unaffected?

The main reason the old opener used Meisui and TCJ ASAP was so that Bunshin would be ready before Trick Attack and properly align with it every other Trick Attack window, but due to its ninki cost being lowered just using Mug is enough to have it ready by the second GCD. Bunshin having a shorter cooldown in 5.1 also means it's not going to align with Trick Attack outside of the opener unless you wait 20 seconds or so and I'm not sure that's actually worth it.

I've been doing this instead, though I'm thinking it's probably better to do Spinning Edge + Gale Slash instead of the second Raiton to make more use of Bunshin (It's 420+530 potency vs. 800 and there should be barely enough time to get them off before TA drops).

So this is just my opinion but the new 5.1 NIN update kinda ruined my main class and made the game not as fun.

First off, they changed it to where you cant cue up Mundras while doing combos. What makes NIN and Rogue fun is that you’re always quickly pressing buttons. It can be confusing and ‘clunky’ for sure to be using mundras and combos and the like but if you wanted a structured class move to Samurai or literally any other class. Not saying ninja wouldnt use reform. Now Ninja is just a boring combo mundras combo mundras combo mundras combo mundras combo mundras style fight.

They even removed Shadow Fang from the combos so now you only have 1 combo path. And before Shadow fang didnt stack so there was no harm in repeatedly being able to use it especially since its potency was only 200 it was actually a waste to use it too much. But it was nice when running dungeons and smaller enemies to be able to use it each new enemy instead of getting to use it for one enemy then waiting 60 seconds, beating 7 enemies and then getting to use it again for just minuscule amounts of damage.
Although this one doesnt bother me as much as slowing down the ninja actions. It does make the ninja more boring.

Although I can agree Ninja could use some reform, making it slowed down and making it to where you have to follow a set pattern, combo mundras combo mundras without even variations in the combo (and lets be real only the lightning mundras is useful in most situations or the water one. So you’re not really doing much there.) really slowed down ninja. Rogues are suppose to be quick and unpredictable, yet now it has a very structured slow and boring key pattern. I can concede ninja is a little awkward but honestly its just a problem for people who don’t main the class. For people who actually main the class being able to cue up mundras and switch up combos is the best part of playing a Rogue or Ninja class.

I am curious to hear other people’s opinions, although please note if you are a Nin main or other main because I think that makes a difference.