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    miraidensetsu's Avatar
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    Luno Belfi
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    If not for botting (that's hard to actually prove), why not ban them for bug exploit or hack? They're doing impossible things for players who's legally playing.

    For me, the solution is launching some solution that makes sure that no process will mess with FFXIV's packets and makes sure that the client has the exact checksum of a non modified client.

    But... But... Muh parser... Sorry, guy. Using parser was illegal to begin with.
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    Luna Sol
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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    If not for botting (that's hard to actually prove), why not ban them for bug exploit or hack? They're doing impossible things for players who's legally playing.

    For me, the solution is launching some solution that makes sure that no process will mess with FFXIV's packets and makes sure that the client has the exact checksum of a non modified client.

    But... But... Muh parser... Sorry, guy. Using parser was illegal to begin with.
    Client/packet checksum wouldn't affect parsers. Parsers only read, not modify, your network information to gather combat log data.
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    Last edited by Thamorian; 09-19-2019 at 03:50 AM. Reason: Spelling
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    Zezeshan Kukushan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thamorian View Post
    Client/packet checksum wouldn't affect parsers. Parsers only read, not modify, your network information to gather combat log data.
    ACT intercepts and scans packets being sent to and from the game, gathers that data and produces results that a player playing legit cannot see or benefit from. It can also scan memory directly. It has plugin capability and is used for far more than simply parsing combat log data. It can be used to have raid callouts timed exactly, and gather mob hunt locations without moving. Now, this is a rabbit hole, and no something like ACT is not on the same level of other programs that actually modify the packets themselves, but it is still a form of cheating, gives the user an advantage unavailable to those that play by the rules and is prohibited by the ToS. It is not a gray area. SE doesn't turn a blind eye. As with botting and more nefarious tools, they don't give a crap.
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    Last edited by null4646; 09-19-2019 at 07:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    If not for botting (that's hard to actually prove), why not ban them for bug exploit or hack? They're doing impossible things for players who's legally playing.

    For me, the solution is launching some solution that makes sure that no process will mess with FFXIV's packets and makes sure that the client has the exact checksum of a non modified client.

    But... But... Muh parser... Sorry, guy. Using parser was illegal to begin with.
    Would probably screw anyone who uses internet security software that performs SSL inspections etc.
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