Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Duelle]

@MaelleRiou No. I would never want BLM to be subjected to this raise controversy.

Except if the entire caster DPS roster can use it, the controversy goes away. The "controversy" exists because certain jobs have something others do not, leading to BS like the raise tax to make up the difference. If you make a battle-rez role action that BLM, SMN and RDM can use and remove Resurrect/Verraise from the equation, it becomes standard part of the kit like Swiftcast and Addle. Now you can balance around gameplay and mechanics without worrying about wipe recovery making one more desired than the other (AKA what led to the current balancing issues).

At least from where I'm sitting, I can't see a scenario where the devs would have to nerf all casters because of Raise as a role action. Likewise, I can't see a scenario where casters are pushed out entirely because of it.

[Shurrikhan]

Why are we still pretending this raise tax is necessarily the explanation to our current imbalance?

SMN had previously carried more rDPS until the end of each expansion despite having Raise. As soon as blatant tuning issues were finally fixed for other jobs as well, RDM was sitting pretty within 1% rDPS of BLM, SMN in solo-caster parties, DRG, and even Ninja, despite having Raise.

We have an imbalance, yes. SMN and RDM are significantly undertuned. Not just compared to BLM, but to the whole top half of DPS: BLM, MNK, DRG, SAM, and now NIN. But, consider -- the same undertuning applies equally to BRD, DNC, and MCH, even though they don't have Raise, nor any utility of seemingly equivalent value (unless a 10% defensive of a 120-second CD should be worth some 15% of your rDPS, too). So we have a precedent of no Raise tax, and imbalance also affecting jobs without Raise. Why are we then equating caster imbalance to "Raise Tax"? It's not a logical explanation.

[Katie_Kitty]

Why are we still pretending this raise tax is necessarily the explanation to our current imbalance?

SMN had previously carried more rDPS until the end of each expansion despite having Raise. As soon as blatant tuning issues were finally fixed for other jobs as well, RDM was sitting pretty within 1% rDPS of BLM, SMN in solo-caster parties, DRG, and even Ninja, despite having Raise.

We have an imbalance, yes. SMN and RDM are significantly undertuned. Not just compared to BLM, but to the whole top half of DPS: BLM, MNK, DRG, SAM, and now NIN. But, consider -- the same undertuning applies equally to BRD, DNC, and MCH, even though they don't have Raise, nor any utility of seemingly equivalent value (unless a 10% defensive of a 120-second CD should be worth some 15% of your rDPS, too). So we have a precedent of no Raise tax, and imbalance also affecting jobs without Raise. Why are we then equating caster imbalance to "Raise Tax"? It's not a logical explanation.

Because yoshi has specifically pointed out raise as an explanation for lower DPS

[Shurrikhan]

Because yoshi has specifically pointed out raise as an explanation for lower DPS

He also pointed out immobility as a reason for higher BLM rDPS, despite their practical mobility being just as high as the other two casters in the confines of optimal play in the fights his team is making. He's rarely all that precisely in touch with the actual gameplay at high levels of performance.

And the Raise Tax still doesn't explain why ALL ranged or rDPS-heavy jobs save for BLM were performing at least some 7% behind pure DPS and lower-%indirect-contribution melee jobs.