Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[RydiaFey]

It's hard to call Rdm Jack of all trades when they came tank. Inst

[Kabooa]

It's hard to call Rdm Jack of all trades when they came tank. Inst

Everyone can tank, just not very well.

[RydiaFey]

Oops didn't mean to post that. Anyways what I was trying to say is that Rdm has the black and white magic down, martial skills are pretty good, but they lack any real tank abilities.

I know they are diff games, but in 11 they could tank to an extent, and were esp good at SELF-enhancing buffs, making them able to absorb a limited amount of hits here and there.

[Katie_Kitty]

Oops didn't mean to post that. Anyways what I was trying to say is that Rdm has the black and white magic down, martial skills are pretty good, but they lack any real tank abilities.

I know they are diff games, but in 11 they could tank to an extent, and were esp good at SELF-enhancing buffs, making them able to absorb a limited amount of hits here and there.

They can't heal either. Vercure doesn't count. A true RDM would be able to slot in to replace a healer in 5 DPS/1 healer comps (4 DPS + RDM + 1 Healer). Doesn't anyone else find it gross having 2 dedicated healers in parties that have a Red Mage? That should never happen.

[Gruntler]

They can't heal either. Vercure doesn't count. A true RDM would be able to slot in to replace a healer in 5 DPS/1 healer comps (4 DPS + RDM + 1 Healer). Doesn't anyone else find it gross having 2 dedicated healers in parties that have a Red Mage? That should never happen.

No, because there's plenty of FFs where a RDM is not a good healer replacement (FF5, for example) and instead rely on using double-cast.

Like FF14's does.

Last thing I want to be doing as a RDM is supplimenting healing; if I wanted to do that I'd have gone green.

[SaberMaxwell]

They can't heal either. Vercure doesn't count. A true RDM would be able to slot in to replace a healer in 5 DPS/1 healer comps (4 DPS + RDM + 1 Healer). Doesn't anyone else find it gross having 2 dedicated healers in parties that have a Red Mage? That should never happen.

As far as I know, most groups that go for a solo-heal challenge take a RDM to act as a pseudo-second healer.

Besides which, I don't find it gross. This is Final Fantasy XIV's Red Mage, and I enjoy it quite a bit.

[Katie_Kitty]

No, because there's plenty of FFs where a RDM is not a good healer replacement (FF5, for example) and instead rely on using double-cast.

Like FF14's does.

Last thing I want to be doing as a RDM is supplimenting healing; if I wanted to do that I'd have gone green.

RDM was never going to be your only healer. Not sure why you're putting words in my mouth. There is no accurate depiction of red mage in which multiple full-time healers are needed and the RDM's only role is to be a shittier black mage. That flies completely in the face of what red mage even is.

Furthermore, just because *you* do not want to play a true Red Mage doesn't change what red mage is and should be. A Red Mage would and should make 2 healer comps pointless assuming the RDM player is skilled enough to fill the role of a versatile caster/healer/melee attacker adequately. The fact that this game has chosen not to create a true red mage is a disgrace.

[Payadopa]

You shouldn't have to switch jobs. Why is Red Mage the only job in the game that has to deal with people telling them they "should" switch or calling them "training wheels"? That is such a BS mentality and I refuse to accept being kept down just because some people have this warped perception of my favorite job.

I agree. Heaven forfend you raid with a job you like.

[Maero]

Stormblood i wanted to raid on my main of 4 or so years which was blm and was asked to go as Nin.
This expansion i switched to DNC as a main but am doing Savage on Red Mage.

[RydiaFey]

They can't heal either. Vercure doesn't count. A true RDM would be able to slot in to replace a healer in 5 DPS/1 healer comps (4 DPS + RDM + 1 Healer). Doesn't anyone else find it gross having 2 dedicated healers in parties that have a Red Mage? That should never happen.

They should've given Blu the ability to pick from a large list of abilities or a more simplified "tank/healer/Dps ability set" to allow them to fill in for any role.

Then designed Rdm around being all three roles at once, but not specializing in any of them.

Then allow those two classes to party up with a broader amount of classes. Allowing more "hybrid" party comps to play with and avoid the 2 healer+rdm setup you were talking about.