"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Callinon]

No EXP for New Game Plus because it would be too easy/quick to do since you have flying mounts and aetherytes for all these zones.

Uh ok... I mean it only took me like a week the first time and I was starting from 60. So then it takes 5 days the second time? Big deal?

The + has typically referred to getting to replay a game's storyline while continuing to use the characters you developed in the previous playthrough, usually with at least some degree of their levels/skills/equipment intact. In other words, exactly what's happening here.

Are there other games with that system that lock off all the rewards?

So the poster child for New Game+ for me has always been Chrono Trigger. It's the first game I can remember having it and it was a game changer (pun not intended). I got to go back through the game with my fully leveled and equipped characters and absolutely obliterate things I'd had to fight for real the first time. And y'know what? I still got another Rainbow Shell.. I still got more Gold Hairpins.. my characters kept going up in level. It was exactly the same game except I was an overpowered killing machine.

Bottom line is I'd love to have NG+ as a leveling path option. I like having the structured game to traverse through rather than just grinding roulettes for months to level all my jobs. Especially with all the expansions we have? They could scale the experience reward so it'd be worthwhile no matter which story you're replaying. You could do a job through Heavensward if you wanted, and the next through Stormblood, and the NG+ exp would be enough for 10 levels. I think that sounds great. But apparently I'm wrong for wanting leveling options and I should feel bad about that.

[Mhaeric]

Are there other games with that system that lock off all the rewards?

It's a modern MMO so the term "New Game+" doesn't really make sense in the usual way. I.e. it's a bit of a misnomer but it's a close enough fit to the idea of starting over with bonuses. In this case it's just the story that you're starting over and the bonus is that you're running it as your level 80 character with all of their skills, etc. I suspect they went with that choice of name because it's a main series FF title and that series does have proper NG+ systems in many of the titles.

[Callinon]

It's a modern MMO so the term "New Game+" doesn't really make sense in the usual way. I.e. it's a bit of a misnomer but it's a close enough fit to the idea of starting over with bonuses. In this case it's just the story that you're starting over and the bonus is that you're running it as your level 80 character with all of their skills, etc. I suspect they went with that choice of name because it's a main series FF title and that series does have proper NG+ systems in many of the titles.

Do they? I think 12 and 15 have it? I actually can't think of any others that do.

[Mhaeric]

Do they? I think 12 and 15 have it? I actually can't think of any others that do.

10-2 does for sure and possibly X. One of the 13's too had it. Those and the ones you mentioned were the ones I was thinking of. I think they added the mode to a few of the remakes of older versions. FFIV I think? FF2 had something like it in one if its incarnations, although it was more of an additional dungeon you could run after the story was completed.

[dragonkyn20]

Do they? I think 12 and 15 have it? I actually can't think of any others that do.

FFIV's DS remake had a limited form of NG+. X-2, XII Zodiac Age, XIII Lightning Returns, and XV have NG+ modes as well. Even some spin-offs had it like Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, and Type-0.

[Gemina]

But apparently I'm wrong for wanting leveling options and I should feel bad about that.

You're not wrong for wanting it, or even requesting it. Things like this become a problem when players start demanding, or saying the new feature is just a waste of dev resources, or otherwise just peppering the whole thing with negativity. It's also a problem when players set expectations based on an assumption that SE never promised to fulfill. A similar situation was when so many thought we would get a fourth healer this expansion because a new tank was confirmed, and Yoshi was over there all, "Why'd you think you were getting a fourth healer?" Bottom line is SE hinted at the NG+ feature several months ago, never said anything about it being an alternative means to gather exp, but players assumed they would be able to use it for that anyway; and now here you are.

Those of us who listened to what SE was saying when they talked about the NG+ feature knew exactly the intention behind it, and it was to allow players to relive the story without having to start up a new character. At one point a couple years ago, "level a new character" was Yoshi's response to this request; completely dismissing it. But he doesn't dismiss much of anything. His mind is flypaper and ideas are buzzing around it constantly. The story is the reward, and if it is not enough reward for you, then you are not obligated by any means to use NG+. As a brand new optional feature, you are totally and completely unaffected if you choose not to do it.

[Fynlar]

Are there other games with that system that lock off all the rewards?

Probably not many, but pretty much all games with NG+ are offline and self-contained. You have to balance such things differently when online to avoid disrupting the game's economy.

[Callinon]

Probably not many, but pretty much all games with NG+ are offline and self-contained. You have to balance such things differently when online to avoid disrupting the game's economy.

I'd have no problem with item rewards being removed from NG+ quests. Just because of economic impact that'd make perfect sense. I just don't see the need to remove exp rewards from them.

[Lucinda]

Personally, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to request exp and quest rewards. I do believe some people in this thread are lacking in their abilities when it comes to presenting their arguments in a respectable manner...

FFXIV is story focused, so this will not be unpopular, even without the rewards. Would it be nice to have another method of levelling jobs? Sure. Though that wasn’t NG+’s intended purpose. No harm in kindly asking, though.

[HyoMinPark]

I'd have no problem with item rewards being removed from NG+ quests. Just because of economic impact that'd make perfect sense. I just don't see the need to remove exp rewards from them.

I believe it’s already been brought up numerous times in this thread, but people are concerned that adding experience to the feature will just result in players spamming the simplest part of it repeatedly for easy leveling—ForteNightshade pointed out that one can get ~10 million experience from the first 20 quests of ShB, and I don’t think that includes any dungeons. The concern is that they’ll just ignore the purpose of the content in favor of spamming the ESC key to skip all the cutscenes and dialogue. Kind of like how people used PvP for easy experience back in the beginning of SB.

People take the path of least resistance, and already exploit easy EXP methods now (e.g., Alliance Roulette cheesing). It’s not a completely unfounded worry. And it’s already happened before when they added experience to Frontlines.